Senate
29 April 1942

16th Parliament · 1st Session

  1. Senate
  2. 16th Parliament
  3. 1942

The President (Senator the Hon. J. Cunningham) took the chair at 3 p.m., and read prayers.

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INTERNATIONAL AFFAIRS

Review of War Situation

Senator COLLINGS:
Minister for the Interior · Queensland Minister for the Interior · ALP

– by leave - read a copy of the ministerial statement delivered in the House of Representatives by the Prime Minister (Mr.Curtin) (vide page 599), and laid on the table the following paper : -

International Affairs - Ministerial Statement, the 29th April, 1942.

Senator McLEAY:
Leader of the Opposition · South Australia

– I move -

That the paper be printed.

I ask leave to continue my remarks at a later date.

Leave granted; debate adjourned.

Later:

Order of the day No. 1 -Government Business - International Affairs - Ministerial Statement, the 25th February, 1942 - read and discharged.

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QUESTION

LEADER OF THE OPPOSITION

Salary and Allowances

Senator AYLETT:
TASMANIA

– Will the Leader of the Senate inform me how much was paid to the Leader of the Opposition by way of out-of-pocket expenses, over and above his parliamentary and ministerial allowance, during his last twelve months as a Minister of the Crown? Also, what was the total amount of money drawn by Senator McLeay, including his parliamentary and ministerial allowances and out-of-pocket expenses, during his last twelve months as a Minister of the Crown?

Senator COLLINGS:
ALP

– I suggest that the question is one which should not be asked in this chamber. The honorable senator should consult the Leader of the Opposition on the subject.

Later :

Senator AYLETT:

– Will the Leader of the Senate state what salary is paid to the Leader of the Opposition’s private secretary? What salary is paid to his typist? What out-of-pocket expenses, if any, over and above their salaries have been paid to his private secretary and typist respectively since he became Leader of the Opposition? How much per annum does the honorable senator draw as . Leader of the Opposition, in addition to his parliamentary allowance?

Senator COLLINGS:
ALP

– I repeat that such questions should not be asked in this chamber, and I suggest again that the information be obtained from Senator McLeay himself. I am aware that Senator McLeay has committed what, in my opinion, was an unpardonable offence, by placing a similar question on the notice-paper in regard to Senator Aylett, but, because I consider such questions out of place in this chamber, I ask Senator Aylett to accept my advice on the matter and not to pursue the subject further.

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QUESTION

GOLD-MINING INDUSTRY

Western Australian Gold-fields.

Senator ALLAN MacDONALD:
WESTERN AUSTRALIA

– On the 25th and 26th March last, I asked several questions in this chamber relating to the position on the Western Australian gold-fields, and the Leader of the Senate said that the information was being obtained, and that a reply would be furnished to me as early as possible. I should like to know whether or not it would be possible for me to receive an answer to my questions in the immediate future?

Senator COLLINGS:
ALP

– Yes.

Senator COLLETT:
WESTERN AUSTRALIA

– On the 26th March last, I asked a question in this chamber relating to the gold-mining industry in Western Australia, and the Leader of the Senate stated that the information was being obtained, and a reply would be furnished to me as soon as possible. Can the Minister say when the information will be forthcoming?

Senator COLLINGS:

– The matter raised by the honorable senator will be covered when a statement is made in reply to the questions’ asked by Senator Allan MacDonald.

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QUESTION

DISTRIBUTION OF APPLES TO MILITARY FORCES

Senator LAMP:
TASMANIA

– As it is unlikely that a market will be found for the large surplus of apples in Tasmania, will the Minister assisting the Minister for Commerce arrange for a free distribution of this fruit each day to military camps ?

SenatorFRASER. - As the honorable senator is aware, the marketing of apples is handled by the Apple and Pear Marketing Board, and if a free distribution were made of surplus fruit from Tasmania or any other State, the board would have to meet the cost of cases, cartage, packing, &c, with the result that the Government would have to make a larger subsidy to the industry. I do not propose to take the matter out of the hands of the board by instructing that a free distribution of apples be made even to members of the fighting services.

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QUESTION

HOTEL CANBERRA

Senator COURTICE:
QUEENSLAND

– Is it a fact that privates and non-commissioned officers of the fighting services have been refused admission to the Hotel Canberra, one of the properties leased by the Government to private enterprise, but that the hotel is open to officers ?

Senator COLLINGS:
ALP

– I have endeavoured, to ascertain the position in regard to this matter because of certain press statements. I am informed by the lessee of the hotel that no instruction of the kind suggested has been conveyed to him, and that soldiers of all ranks, including privates, are admitted without hindrance to the lounge of the hotel. The lessee knows of nothing that would justify the statements that have been made.

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QUESTION

PRIMARY PRODUCTS REQUIRED BY BRITISH GOVERNMENT

Senator McBRIDE:
SOUTH AUSTRALIA

– Will the Minister assisting the Minister for Commerce state whether or not he is in possession of particulars of the quantities of meat, dairy produce, dried fruits, and sugar which the British Government will require from Australia during the coming year ? If so, what are those total requirements, and what steps have been taken by the Government to ensure the necessary production?

SenatorFRASER.- In the interests of national security, I do not think it advisable that the figures should be made available.

Senator McBRIDE:

– I want to know if the Minister for Commerce has details of the quantities of those commodities that are required, and, if so, whether the Government is taking the steps necessary to ensure production of those requirements in Australia?

Senator FRASER:
Minister for External Territories · WESTERN AUSTRALIA · ALP

– I can assure the honorable senator that every precaution is being taken, but I repeat that it is not in the interests of national security to divulge the figures.

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QUESTION

SUPPLY OF BEER TO MILITARY CAMPS

Senator ALLAN MacDONALD:

– . On the 25th March last, I asked the Minister for Trade and Customs a question relating to the supply of beer to various military camps and canteens, especially those which were not in existence last year, and the Minister promised to have the matter examined. I should like to know if an answer to my question will be given at an early date?

Senator KEANE:
Minister for Trade and Customs · VICTORIA · ALP

– Beer consumed in military canteens has been exempted from the public quota. Further, in military camps throughout Australia, there is a shortage of canteens, which has caused considerable overlapping. Militia camps come within that category. They have not yet been serviced.

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QUESTION

PRICES CONTROL

Declaration of Myer Emporium Limited

Senator AYLETT:

– Will the Minister for Trade and Customs state what amount of money the Myer Emporium Limited, Melbourne, had to refund to the Government in connexion with the excess prices that the firm charged to the public? How much did the firm receive in excess of the prices declared by the Prices Commissioner for commodities sold by it?

Senator KEANE:
ALP

– No refund was made to the Commonwealth Government by the Myer Emporium Limited, but the total amount estimated by the Prices Commissioner to have been overcharged by the company to the consuming public was £250,000. The firm has been declared, and officers of the Prices Commissioner have made arrangements which ensure that the prices charged for its commodities shall be adjusted until the amount of £250,000 has been made up by the company. However, there still remains a grave defect in the legislation relating to prices control in that it does not guarantee that the individuals who were originally overcharged shall be compensated. There is no certainty that they will receive any benefit from the refunds. This aspect of the matter is under consideration.

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QUESTION

INCOME TAXATION

Air Raid Precautions Expenditure - Uniformity

Senator ALLAN MacDONALD:

– A few weeks ago I made a request to the Treasurer that all expenditure in connexion with air raid precautions be made an allowable deduction for Commonwealth income tax purposes. I further asked that, in the event of the Commonwealth Government agreeing to my request, the State governments should also be asked to treat such expenses as allowable deductions for income tax purposes. Will the Minister representing the Treasurer endeavour to ascertain whether the Government has yet decided to accede to my request?

Senator KEANE:
ALP

– The information may be obtainable at a later date, but this is a matter of Government policy and at the moment I cannot supply the honorable senator with a definite answer.

Senator FOLL:
QUEENSLAND

– I ask the Leader of the Senate whether it is the intention of the Government to proceed with the proposals for uniform taxation throughout the Commonwealth in view of the decision of the Premiers at a recent conference of Commonwealth and State Ministers ?

Senator COLLINGS:
ALP

– It is not customary to state matters of policy in answer to questions.

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MINISTERIAL DUTIES

Senator COLLINGS:
QueenslandMinister for the Interior · ALP

– by leave - I desire to inform the Senate that, owing to the exercise by the Prime Minister (Mr. Curtin) of wider powers relating to higher defence policy in the south-western Pacific area, the portfolio of Minister of State for Defence Co-ordination, which position was held by the Prime Minister, has been changed to that of Minister of State for Defence, and that on the 14th April, 1942, the Prime Minister was appointed to that office. The Department of Defence Co-ordination will in future be known as the Department of Defence.

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DEATH OF EX-SENATOR THE HONORABLE JOHN JOSEPH DALY

Senator COLLINGS:
QueenslandMinister for the Interior · ALP

– It is with deep regret that I inform honorable senators of the death in Adelaide on the 13th April last of the Honorable John Joseph Daly, a former senator and Minister of the Crown. I feel the passing of my friend as a great personal loss. I “worked with him before I entered this Parliament. I well remember that, during the election campaign which resulted in his election to the Senate in 192S, i toured South Australia with him, and our association was of the happiest nature. It is tragic that he leaves his family and friends at the comparatively early age of 50 years. Mr. Daly, who was the eon of one of the foundation members of the South Australian Society of ‘Carpenters and Joiners, was born at Thebarton, South Australia, and he received his early education at the Christian Brothers College and the Adelaide University. Taking up a legal career, Mr. Daly became managing clerk, and later a partner of Mr. W. J. Denny, specializing in industrial law. He was president of the South Australian Branch of the Australian Labour Party, and a member of the Federal Australian Labour Party Executive for many years: He was elected to the Senate for South Australia in 192S, and became Leader of the Opposition in June, 1929. During the term of office of the Scullin Labour Government, he held the positions of Leader of the Senate, Vice-President of the Executive Council, Minister in charge of Development and Migration, and Minister in charge of the Council for Scientific and Industrial

Research. From the 4th February to the 3rd March, 1931, he was Minister for Defence, and from the 26th June, 1931, until the 6th January, 1932, he held the position of Honorary Minister. During the absence of the then AttorneyGeneral at Geneva, Mr. Daly acted as Attorney-General. I move -

That the Senate expresses its deep regret at the death of the Honorable John Joseph Daly, a former member of the Senate and Commonwealth Minister, places on record its appreciation of his meritorious public service, and tenders its profound sympathy to his widow and family in their bereavement.

Senator McLEAY:
Leader of the Opposition · South Australia

– I desire to associate the Opposition with the sentiments expressed by the Leader of the Senate (Senator Collings) in relation tothe late ex-Senator Daly. As I was in Adelaide at the time of his death, I had the opportunity to pay my last respects to his memory, and I was pleased to see that the Government was also represented at his funeral by another ex-senator, Mr. “ Mick “ O’Halloran. I agree with the Leader of the Senate that the death of ex-Senator Daly at the early age of 50 years was a tragic loss. He worked hard, accomplished a great deal, and. showed outstanding courage and energy in times of adversity. He had .a humble beginning, having been associated as an office boy with the late ex-Senator Sir Josiah Symon, another distinguished South Australian. Being in humble circumstances, he had to attend’ night school in order to qualify for the profession he was anxious to follow. He was recognized as an outstanding authority in the arbitration courts, and was known throughout Australia by the skill with which he conducted cases on behalf of the employees, the class whom he represented in his professional capacity as well as in his political life. I am sure that a great number of friends of the late ex-senator, who had followed his early career and had had an opportunity to judge the good work he had done, were very grieved to learn of his death. As. the Leader of the Senate has said, he has left a widow and a young family of five, including a son who is serving in the Army. We feel deeply for his widow and relatives in their bereavement.

Senator E B JOHNSTON:
Western Australia

– The members of the Country party in this chamber desire to be associated with this motion. We deplore the death of the late Hon. J. J. Daly at the early age of 50 years. I saw him recently in Adelaide, and he appeared to be in the prime of life. I had the privilege of sitting in the Senate during the whole of his service of six years here. They were very strenuous years, during which we had to deal with the difficult problems which confronted the Scullin Government, in the period pf the world-wide economic depression. Immediately Mr. Daly took his seat, his outstanding qualities marked him out for the position of Leader of the Opposition, and, on the advent to office of the’ Scullin Government on the 22nd October, 1929, he became Leader of the Senate. He also held positions as Vice-President of the Executive Council, Minister in charge of Development and Migration, Minister for Defence, and, for varying periods during the regime of the Scullin Government, Acting Attorney-General. In all those capacities, he rendered brilliant and sterling public service. Although he took over the leadership of the Senate a few weeks after first entering this branch of the legislature, I say unreservedly that he filled that position with great ability and efficiency and displayed outstanding courtesy. His party was in a considerable minority in the Senate, but his force of character, personality and able advocacy were vital factors in securing the passage of many of the Scullin Government’s measures through this chamber. His bright intellect and kindly nature ensured him the personal friendship, respect and goodwill of his political opponents. Personally, I mourn the loss of a friend, who was a good husband and a fond father. My sympathy and that of the Country party goes out to his widow and family in their irreparable loss.

Senator A J McLACHLAN:
SOUTH AUSTRALIA · NAT

– Like Senator Johnston, I was for six years a colleague of the late ex-Senator Daly in this chamber; but, long before he entered the Senate, I knew him in my professional life, where he rose, as the Leader of the Opposition (Senator

McLeay) has pointed out, from a very humble beginning. By force of that individualism which is, unfortunately, rapidly disappearing from our midst, and by force of character and sheer determination, fighting against those odds which made themselves felt - the odds of ill health, in his latter days - he strove with success to become one of the bright lights in the legal profession in South Australia. I pay my tribute to him as a man and as an individual. We were on different political sides in this chamber, but he fought with a deftness of mind which made an appeal to a large number of us. We did not always agree with him politically, but he fought strenuously for his party and he also fought his party strenuously when, in his conscience, and in the interests of the country, he thought his party was wrong. He was a strong individualist and a man of firm character. He had a great mind, and it is lamentable that a man of his parts, with whatever party he may have been affiliated, should have come to his end so early in his career. He had many of those qualities which are essential in the world to-day. He laboured under the disability of an undermined constitution, which exhibited itself from time to time in this chamber. We often sat for many hours at a time, and we realized dien that he was suffering gravely. That disability, in the end, led to his death. He attained a great reputation in certain circles for his knowledge of industrial law, and he obtained the reputation in this chamber to which reference has been made this afternoon. All we can do is to join with the Leader of the Senate in whatever measure of comfort those left behind may gain from a motion of condolence. I heartily support the motion.

Senator KEANE:
Minister for Trade and Customs · Victoria · ALP

– As one who was associated with the late ex-S’enator Daly when he was a Minister in the Scullin Government, and who knew him in the active industrial sphere, I add my tribute to the memory of a great man. I believe that of all the industrial men I met in the arbitration courts, ex-Senator Daly was at least the equal of any. He had risen to high positions solely through his own efforts, and, as

Senator Johnston has said, he held ministerial office during one of the darkest periods in the history of Australia and of the Labour movement. Despite the fact that he crashed on some Labour legislation, when the Labour movement was in a parlous condition he was always ready to take a brief without any hope of fees, and he handled cases on behalf of the Labour party in a skilful manner. I was an advocate in the memorable “ hours “ case, when the hours of labour were reduced from 48 to 44 a week, and on that occasion the late ex-Senator Daly represented the South Australian Labour government. Despite the fact that he had merely a listening brief, counsel on our side received very sound advice from him. I also remember the ability displayed by him in this chamber. I endorse all that has been said about his strong personality, which was largely responsible for the passage of certain Labour legislation at a time when the Labour party was in a minority in this chamber. His passing is to be regretted, and I offer my deepest sympathy to bis widow and family. Australia and the Labour party are the poorer for the passing of John Daly.

Question resolved in the affirmative, honorable senators standing in their places.

Suspension of Sitting

Motion (by Senator Collings) agreed to-

That, as a mark of respect to th» memory of the late Honorable John Joseph Daly, the sitting of the Senate be suspended to 4.30 p.m. this day.

Sitting suspended from 4 to 4.30 p.m.

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QUESTION

AUSTRALIAN MILITIA FORCES

Service Outside Commonwealth Territory

Senator McLEAY:

asked the Minister representing the Prime Minister, upon notice -

In view of the Government’s recent decision to place Militia troops, Royal Australian Air Force personnel, &c, on the same footing as the Australian Imperial Force, and having in mind the probable Allied offensive against the Japanese, will the Government now give consideration to the introduction of an amendment to the National Security Act to remove the restriction preventing the use of Militia troops outside Australian territory, bo that the conscripted troops of other Allied nations will have the full support not only of the Australian Imperial Force but also the Australian Militia?

Senator COLLINGS:
ALP

– The Prime Minister has supplied the following answer : -

It is not customary to make announcements of Government policy in reply to questions.

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QUESTION

INDUSTRIAL LIAISON OFFICERS

Mr. J. S. Garden and Mr. C. Crofts

Senator McLEAY:

asked the Minister representing the Prime Minister, upon notice -

Will he place before the Senate the terms and conditions, salary, travelling allowances, &c, applicable to the recent appointments of Messrs. J. S. Garden and C. Crofts, as liaison officials, by the Ministers for Labour and National Service and War Organization of Industry respectively

Senator COLLINGS:
ALP

– The Prime Minister has supplied the following answer : -

Mr. J. S. Garden has been appointed as industrial liaison officer in the Department of Labour and National Service at the salary of £10 a week. Mr. C. Crofts has been appointed as liaison officer between the Australasian Council of Trade Unions and the Department of War Organization of Industry at the salary of £420 per annum. Mr. Crofts retains his position as Secretary of the Australasian Council of Trade Unions, which is an honorary position carrying no remuneration. Prior to accepting his present position with the department, he was also federal and branch secretary of the Gas Employees Union, but has temporarily relinquished these positions. Travelling allowances in both instances are in accordance with the Commonwealth Public Service scale applicable to the salary received.

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QUESTION

SENATOR AYLETT

Senator McLEAY:

asked the Minister representing the Minister for Labour and National Service, upon notice -

Does the appointment of Senator Aylett as an assistant to the Minister in matters affecting his department in Tasmania carry any financial allowance for travelling expenses or other reason, and are his duties specified; if so, what are they?

Senator ASHLEY:
Minister for Information · NEW SOUTH WALES · ALP

– The Minister for Labour and National Service supplied the following answer: -

Senator Aylett’s duties are to carry out such investigations as he may be directed to do by the Minister for Labour and National

Service. Senator Aylett has not received anything by way of payment for his services to date.

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QUESTION

MR. J. F. MURPHY

Official Duties

Senator AMOUR:
NEW SOUTH WALES

asked the Minister for the Interior, upon notice -

  1. Is it a fact that in addition to holding the position of Secretary of the Department of Commerce, Mr. J. F. Murphy also holds the following offices: - (a) Secretary of the Department of Transport; (6) chairman of the Hide and Leather Board; (c) chairman of the Babbit Skin Board; (d) member of the Federal War Land Transport Committee; (c) member of the Wheat Stabilization Committee; (/) member of the Shipping Control Board : g) member of the Economic Welfare Advisory Committee; and (h) Commonwealth representative on Walkabout, the official organ of the National Travel Association?
  2. Does Mr. Murphy hold any appointment other than the .above?
  3. What allowance does Mr. Murphy receive in addition to his classified salary as Secretary, Department of Commerce, for his services to the Government ?
Senator COLLINGS:
ALP

– The answers to the honorable senator’s questions are as follows : - 1, 2, and 3. The appointments held by Mr. Murphy, in addition to his position as Secretary, Department of Commerce, are as follows .- - Secretary, Department of Transport; member, Land Transport Board; chairman, Commonwealth Government Ships Chartering Committee ; member, Shipping Control Board ; member, Maritime Industry Commission; member, Allied Shipping Consultative Council ; member, Australian National Publicity Association; member, Wheat Industry Stabilization Board ; chairman, Copra Marketing Committee; chairman. Hide and Leather Industries Board; chairman, Rabbit Skin Board; and member, Australian Potato Committee. In addition to his salary as Secretary, Department of Commerce, Mr. Murphy receives an allowance of £500 per annum as member of the Wheat Stabilization Board. He does nol. receive salary, allowance or any other emolument in respect of the other appointments held by him.

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QUESTION

MUNITIONS FACTORIES

Dilution of Labour

Senator McBRIDE:

asked the Minister representing the Minister for Munitions, upon notice -

  1. Will the Minister inform the Senate whether an agreement has been reached to enable dilution of labour to be made in the tool rooms of munition factories in N«w South Wales and Victoria?
  2. If the answer is in the affirmative, what are the terms of the agreement?
Senator ASHLEY:
ALP

– The Minister for Munitions has supplied the following answer:-

  1. and 2. Negotiations wre proceeding with the engineering union concerned in connexion with the utilization of unskilled labour in the mass production of tools and gauge’s, and there have been several conferences and discussions. Certain preliminaries in which agreement was necessary have been cleared, and it is anticipated that a conclusion will bc reached in the near future.

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QUESTION

POWER ALCOHOL

Production from Wheat.

Senator GIBSON:
VICTORIA

asked the Minister for the Interior, upon notice -

  1. Have the sites been chosen for the distillation plants to manufacture power alcohol from wheat?
  2. Why had a delay of twelve months taken place in choosing the location of these plants?
Senator COLLINGS:
ALP

– The answers to the honorable senator’s questions are as follows : -

  1. Yes.
  2. Any delay that has occurred lias been due entirely to the obstacles that had to be overcome, and the considerations and negotiations inevitably associated with an enterprise of this character.

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QUESTION

SCHOOL PREMISES

Acquisition for Military Purposes

Senator UPPILL:
SOUTH AUSTRALIA

asked the Minister representing the Minister for the Army, upon notice -

Will the Minister for the Army supply the following information: - (1) The number of school premises in Victoria and New South Wales now taken over by the Government for military purposes? (2) The names of school premises, together with the names of the owners? (3) The denominational affiliation, if any, of each of such schools?

Senator FRASER:
ALP

– The Minister for the Army has supplied the following answers : -

The above particulars do not include any schools which may have been taken over by the Departments of Navy or Air, or by the United States forces.

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QUESTION

CONSCIENTIOUS OBJECTORS

Senator SAMPSON:
TASMANIA

asked the Minister representing the Minister for the Army, upon notice -

  1. What is the number of registered conscientious objectors in the Commonwealth (a) on religious grounds; (b) on other grounds ?
  2. How many applications for registration have been made since 1st January, 1942 T
Senator FRASER:
ALP

– The Minister for the Army has supplied the following answer : -

The figures of registered conscientious objectors are not available at present, but the information is being obtained from the various military districts.

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QUESTION

PAY OF FIGHTING FORCES

Senator COLLETT:

asked the Minister representing the Minister for the Army, upon notice -

  1. la it a fact that the Government proposes to approve of equal rates of pay to members of the Australian Imperial Force, the Permanent Military. Forces, the Citizen Forces and Mobilized Reserve Forces?
  2. If so, will this concession include pensions and other benefits authorized by the Australian Soldiers’ Repatriation Act?
  3. Under these considerations will the same description of service be required from each of these several branches of the Army?
Senator FRASER:
ALP

– The Minister for the Army has supplied the following answers : -

  1. Equal rates of pay to members of the Australian Imperial Force serving in Australia, the Permanent Military Forces, the Mobilized Reserve (Garrison Battalions) and to members of the Citizen Forces called up for full-time duty, have been approved.
  2. Members mentioned in 1 are eligible for pensions and other benefits provided under the Australian Soldiers’ Repatriation Act for service in Australia.
  3. Yes, except that members of the Australian Imperial Force having on enlistment agreed to serve beyond the limits of the Commonwealth, and those of any territory under the authority of the Commonwealth, can be required to so serve, whilst other members of the Military Forces can not be so required to serve unless they voluntarily agree to do so. It is important to note that members of the Australian Imperial Force who are so required to serve beyond the limits of the Commonwealth become eligible for benefits such as freedom from income tax on their military earnings and for pension entitlement under separate provisions of the Repatriation Act.

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QUESTION

AUSTRALIAN NURSING SISTERS

Issue of Uniforms

Senator BRAND:
VICTORIA

asked the Minister representing (the Minister for the Army, upon notice -

Will .the Government consider the free issue of uniforms to Australian nursing sisters who lost practically the whole of their kit when the evacuation of Singapore became imperative ?

Senator FRASER:
ALP

– The Minister for the Army has supplied the following answer : -

Approval has already been given to this and instructions are now being issued to give effect thereto.

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QUESTION

EIRE

Neutrality Policy

Senator BRAND:

asked the Minister representing the Minister for the Army, upon notice -

  1. Does the Government consider that the neutrality policy of Eire is a matter affecting the safety of Australia and the Empire generally?
  2. Will the Government appeal to the Eire Prime Minister (Mr. de Valera) to open the Irish coast bases for use by the Allied Naval Forces, in order that Britain may transfer certain of her naval strength to the southwest Pacific, and so regain sea supremacy in those waters?
Senator FRASER:
ALP

– The Minister for the Army has supplied the following answers :-

  1. The matter is one of imperial policy -for consideration primarily by the British Government.
  2. It is considered that the initiative in representations of the nature suggested should be left- to His Majesty’s Government in the United Kingdom.

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QUESTION

VOLUNTEER DEFENCE CORPS

Senator BRAND:

asked the Minister representing the Minister for the Army, upon notice -

  1. Will the Minister call for a report on the following points in connexion with the Volunteer Defence Corps: (a) What is the reason for the delay in announcing the establishment of the corps, thus holding up the issue of stores and equipment from the ordnance stores; (6) why does it take weeks before the appointment of officers is approved pending gazettal; (c) in making those appointments, has priority been given to those who for over twelve months have been active in the training and administration of local Volunteer Defence Corps units, or have local recommendations been ignored in favour of some person or persons unknown in the locality?
  2. Will the Minister give instructions for the prompt issue of training equipment even on a reduced scale so that the hundreds of enthusiastic citizens with no previous military training, now seeking to enlist, may not be discouraged?
Senator FRASER:
ALP

– The Minister for the Army has supplied the following answers : -

  1. No hold up of issue of stores and equipment has been caused by reason of any delay in announcing establishments. War Cabinet on the 10th February, 1942, gave approval for a substantial increase in the establishment and this was immediately announced and commands advised of their quotas. Power has been given by National Security Regulations to appoint officers to acting rank, and commands normally are notified of approvals within 48 hours of receipt of nominations at Army headquarters. The selection committees in each command have almost completed their recommendations. To ensure priority of consideration to members and leaders of the corps, an instruction to command selection committees is that only members of the Volunteer Defence Corps actually serving on the date the regulations empowering the granting of commissions were approved (i.e., the 2nd February, 1942) should be considered for appointments in the first instance. No instances have been brought to notice “ where a person or persons unknown in the locality “ have been appointed.
  2. Instructions have been given for the issue of training equipment on a suitable scale to the extent that it is now available or can be produced.

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EMPLOYMENT OF WOMEN

Motion to Disallow Regulations

Order of the day No. 2 - National Security (Employment of Women) Regulations - Motion for Disallowance - read and discharged.

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AUSTRALIAN BROADCASTING BILL 1942

Motion (by Senator Ashley) - by leave - agreed to -

That leave be given to bring in a bill for an act relating to broadcasting.

Bill presented, and read a first time.

Motion (by Senator Ashley) put -

That so much of the Standing and Sessional Orders be suspended as would prevent the bill being passed through its remaining stages without delay.

The PRESIDENT (Senator the Hon J Cunningham:
WESTERN AUSTRALIA

– There being an absolute majority of the members of the Senate present and no dissentient voice, I declare the question resolved in the affirmative.

Second Reading

Senator ASHLEY:
New South WalesPostmasterGeneral, and Minister for Information · ALP

– I move -

That the bill be now read a second time.

The proposals embodied in this bill are based on the recommendations recently submitted by the Joint Parliamentary Committee in its Report on Wireless Broadcasting. Those honorable senators who have found an opportunity to peruse the committee’s report will, I feel sure, have been impressed by the comprehensive nature of the investigations made and by the constructive suggestions submitted for the betterment of broadcasting in this country. Not only Parliament, but also the community as a whole, will be grateful to the committee for the work it has accomplished. There has been, I think, general recognition for some time past that an examination of the Australian Broadcasting Commission Act could profitably be undertaken in the light of experience gained during the past decade, and this culminated in the appointment by Parliament in July last of a Joint Parliamentary Committee to inquire into and report upon wireless broadcasting within and from Australia.

As honorable senators are aware, the representation on the committee of members supporting the Government and the Opposition was equal and, seeing that . with one exception their views on the questions considered were unanimous, the Government, after consideration of the report, agrees with the conclusions of the committee, and those recommendations requiring legislative enactment are now submitted for the approval of the Senate. In view of the comprehensive nature of the proposals submitted by the parliamentary committee, which embrace the activities of commercial broadcasting organizations, it is necessary to repeal the existing Australian Broadcasting Commission Act. The purpose of thebill now before the Senate is to legislate for the future of broadcasting generally in this country, and it may, therefore, be of interest if I refer briefly to the development of the service.

The committee has stated in its report : “ Broadcasting has progressed from the position of a novel source of entertainment to the status of an essential public service “. Never has this been more exemplified than at the present moment, when, because of restrictions in . other directions, the public in their homes look to broadcasting for a greater measure of enjoyment and relaxation ; while from the point of view of disseminating news, propaganda, and statements of national interest, broadcasting has taken on an aspect of importance quite unthought of in pre-war days.

The first demonstration of radiotelephony was provided by the Commonwealth Government radio service in 1920, with reception at the Exhibition Building, Melbourne, and during the next few years the activities of commercial concerns and radio amateurs were responsible for maintaining . public interest in radio-telephony, when possibilities of its use in the broadcasting field began to emerge definitely. Following a conference in 1923, a trial was made with a service in which licences were issued to approved companies, and listeners were required to pay a subscription dependent on the number of stations whose programmes they desired to hear. The receiving sets were sealed to exclude other programmes. However, this scheme was not successful, and in 1924 a new plan was devised in which two classes of transmitting licences for broadcasting were issued - termed class A and class B licences. There were now emerging clear-cut definitions of stations . providing the national type of service - class A - and those stations financed from advertising revenue - class B - and dependent upon commercial initiative. Subsequent developments, however, indicated that improvement was still necessary, and in July, 1928, a new scheme was evolved in which the class A stations, hitherto owned by companies, were purchased by the Government, and welded into’ the nucleus of a nationallyowned service. The A and B class licences, as such, were abolished, and the stations formerly termed B class stations became the only licensed stations.

The Government, having thus undertaken the responsibility of establishing a national broadcasting system, a close study was made with the object of preparing a plan of development aiming at the establishment of sufficient national stations to serve the whole of the Com monwealth. The basis of programme service at that time was regarded as being primarily one of entertainment, and it was felt that the programmes should be provided by an organization skilled in that art. The first method tried was to invite tenders for the provision of programmes for all national stations, and a company incorporated as the Australian Broadcasting Company was the successfultenderer. The contract, which was for three years, ended on the 30th June, 1932. The experience gained by this method of operating the national service indicated that yet further improvement could be effected, and it was decided at the termination of the contract period that the provision of programmes should be placed in the hands of a commission set up by the Government. This was done by means of the Australian Broadcasting Commission Act. Thus, by a process of evolution, there has’ been provided for the Commonwealth -

  1. One comprehensive national broadcasting service financed from listeners’ licence-fees; and
  2. a second broadcasting service of licensed stations dependent upon commercial initiative and deriving its revenue from advertising fees..

In. deciding to set up two such broadcasting systems it was doubtless felt that the contrast between the motives actuating the two services would result in a diversity of programmes being offered to the public, and also that there would be mutual reactions tending to stimulate each other. From the experience gained, I think it can be said with confidence that these expectations have been largely realized. That the potentialities of service in the art of broadcasting are very great indeed is shown in the fact that whereas in 1924 there were 1,400 licensed listeners, to-day the figure is 1,324,000, or, in other words, 80 per cent of the homes in the Commonwealth have receiving sets; while in order to cater for the. diverse tastes of the people 30 national and 99 commercial stations have been provided, as against the original four in 1923. All this has necessitated a demand for the manufacture and marketing of transmitting and receiving equipment, with the result that over the short space of nineteen years we find that an industry lias been developed with a capital investment of £20,000,000 and in normal times giving employment to some 15,000 workers. Whilst the committee has submitted many recommendations, none is radical in character ; and from the fact that a continuance of the present system is advocated it is, I think, a reasonable inference to draw from the report that those who originally conceived and developed the general broadcasting plan of Australia showed wise foresight.

It may not be inappropriate at this stage’ to refer to the fact that amongst the pioneers who took a special interest in broadcasting was the Chairman of the Joint Parliamentary Committee - Senator ‘Gibson - who may well claim to be the father of broadcasting in this country. It is just nineteen years since he, a.* Postmaster-General. took the preliminary stops to provide a service for the nation and there is, I believe, a general feeling of pleasure and gratification that the honorable senator is here to-day to help us in out deliberations concerning the future of broadcasting.

By virtue of its worth as a medium for the entertainment and enjoyment of the people, broadcasting has earned a very definite place in our social system and. we cannot be too greatly concerned regarding its future development. In considering the problem it is necessary in the first place to determine whether the- service has proved its efficacy and usefulness. The final test, qf course, is the standard of service rendered to the public. Let us look at the national system for a moment. This system has resulted in the establishment of stations and the use of a network of connecting trunk lines on a much greater scale than could ever have been developed by private enterprise, because of the resources available for the use of those controlling the national service. For example, that service has enabled the preparation and development of a scientifically planned system which, when completed, will serve nearly the whole of the population of Australia. On the one hand stations have been, and will be, established to serve centres where commercial stations, dependent on revenue from advertising, could not exist. On the other hand, by means of the commercial system private enterprise has been permitted, under proper control, to develop a service which is complementary to the national stations in centres where the density of population enables commercial stations to function effectively and without financial loss. By permitting commercial stations to operate, the public has been given a choice of programmes which they would never have had if only the national service had been in existence. For example, in Sydney the public has a choice of eight programmes - two national and six commercial. In the absence of the latter, Sydney listeners would certainly not have had eight national stations. Judged, therefore, from the investigations of the committee and one’s own observations, I have no hesitation in declaring that the present system has been beneficial to the development of broadcasting in Australia viewed from the interests of listeners, and apart altogether from the valuable advantages which have accrued to industry and employment. With the experience of the last nineteen years to guide us and the valuable report of the committee to point the way to certain improvements, we are well equipped to write a charter for the broadcasting services of the Commonwealth which, whilst imposing safeguards against mis-use, will permit sufficient freedom to ensure continued progress for the benefit of the community. Not only will freedom in broadcasting achieve this objective, but it must also be a significant interpretation of the general freedom that defines democracy.

Honorable senators need no elaboration of the value, in the difficult times of war as well as peace, of freedom of speech, and freedom of the press. The evolution of broadcasting as a medium of. public expression, and the tremendous growth in its power to mould public opinion, has given voice to a further interpretation of democratic freedom - a freedom and impartiality of the air. . We have seen how the single regimented view of Nazi-ism and Fascism was expounded by means of the radio in Europe of the last decade, while the press of these countries was devoted to the same cause, and freedom of speech was eliminated. That is one reason why I emphasise the value of freedom of the air. The provisions of the bill now before the Senate indicate the care with which this freedom has been recognized, and safeguarded. As the bill contains provisions applicable to all phases of broadcasting in Australia, it is proposed that the title of the act be “ The Australian Broadcasting Act “. In the past it was deemed desirable to provide for the commercial services by regulation because such a procedure allowed of greater flexibility and permitted changes to be made more easily as they became necessary in the early stages of development. Now that the situation is more stable it is proposed that in future any important changes should be sanctioned by Parliament.

The bill is divided into five parts -

Part I. - Preliminary.

Part II. - Incorporating the provisions of the existing Australian Broadcasting Commission Act with appropriate amendments.

Part III. - Embodying such regula tions under the Wireless Telegraphy Act as are applicable to commercial broadcasting stations.

Part IV. - Parliamentary Standing Committee on broadcasting.

Part V. - Including provisions of the Australian Broadcasting Commission Act and the Wireless Telegraphy Regulations which are applicable to both services and some important new provisions recommended by the committee.

The bill in the main is a re-enactment of the present laws relating to broadcasting. As I have already indicated, the proposed alterations to existing conditions are, with few exceptions, in conformity with the recommendations of the joint committee, and I shall now proceed to give to the Senate a brief statement of the more important changes, commencing with those which affect the Australian Broadcasting Commission.

Clause 7 of the bill provides for the establishment of the head office of the commission in the Australian Capital Territory on or beforea date to be fixed by the Minister. In clause 8, relating to the composition of the commission, provision is made that one of the members shall be a woman. Under clause 9 the appoint ment of commissioners will be made for certain definite periods in order to ensure stability and continuity of policy. The term of appointment of the various commissioners has been so arranged that not more than two commissioners will retire in any one year. Clause 10 provides for an increase of the remuneration of the chairman from £500 to £1,250 per annum, and of the vice-chairman from £400 to £500 per annum. The general manager of the commission is required by clause 16 to be present, if practicable, at all meetings but, at the discretion of the commission, he may be directed to retire temporarily from any meeting. Matters relating to the permanent staff of the commission are dealt with in clause 17. A notable change is that recruitment is to be by open competitive examination on lines similar to the practice followed in the Commonwealth Public Service. The commission will be permitted to waive this condition in respect of certain prescribed positions for which special qualifications are necessary. Conditions of employment are to be prescribed by regulations under the act. The Minister already has power to require the commission to transmit through national stations any matter the transmission of which is considered to be in the public interest, but clause 23 now provides that any such directions shall be in writing. Under clause 27.’ the commission’s portion of the listener’s licence-fee is to be increased from 10s. to11s. per annum. The amendment proposed will increase the commission’s portion of the revenue from licence-fees by approximately £66,200 per annum. The present apportionment of the fee is 10s. to the commission and 10s. to Consolidated Revenue. The alternative proposal made by the joint committee that the listener’s licence-fee be increased to 21s. has been considered, but the Government considers that the present is not an opportune time to do this.

Very few changes are contemplated in regard to the conditions under which commercial broadcasting stations shall be permitted to operate. A very desirable provision is that included in clause 69, under which advertisements on Sundays will be regulated in accordance with such conditions as are prescribed. Under the same clause, advertisements relating to patent medicines are limited to those -which have been approved by Commonwealth or State health departments, but, in accordance with the views of the joint committee that there should be no capricious rejection of advertisements by certain classes of practitioners, provision is made for an appeal to the Minister in regard to any rejected advertisements. Under clause 75 it is provided that, each station shall submit in prescribed form an annual balance-sheet and profit and loss account. A very important innovation is included in Part IV., wherein provision is made for the appointment of a parliamentary standing committee, to . which either House of Parliament by resolution, or the Minister, may refer for investigation and report any matter affecting broadcasting in the Commonwealth. Provision is also made for’ the standing committee to investigate such matters as may be referred to it by the Minister on request either by the Australian Broadcasting Commission or the Australian Federation of Commercial Broadcasting Stations. Such a committee will provide Parliament with a means of keeping a more watchful eye on the development of the broadcasting services. In clause 95, the Government has departed slightly from the relevant recommendation of the joint committee. The existing Australian Broadcasting Commission Act provides that the commission may appoint an advisory committee in each State, and the joint committee recommended that the appointment of the committee in each State to advise the commission regarding its activities should be made mandatory on that body. The Govern ment considers, however, that it would be in the best interests of broadcasting if there were a representative advisory committee in each State to note the public reaction to broadcasting programmes and to make any suggestions for improvement of the services, both national and commercial. In these circumstances it is proposed in clause 95 that a broadcasting advisory committee should be appointed in each State by the Minister. Clause 96 provides for the encouragement of local talent by both national and commercial stations, which will be required to broadcast works of Australian composers for at least 2£ per cent, of the total time occupied in the transmission of music. Under clause 97 political talks must not be broadcast later than the Wednesday immediately preceding any Federal or State election. The name of each speaker and the political party on behalf of which he speaks must be ‘disclosed. Dramatized - political broadcasts are forbidden. The commission is still permitted to determine to what extent and in what manner political speeches may be broadcast from national broadcasting stations, but, in accordance with the recommendation of the joint committee, the present practice of the commission in regard to the grant of facilities at election’ times will be referred as soon as practicable to the proposed standing committee. The Senate will, I am sure, support the views expressed by the committee concerning’ the broadcasting of objectionable features. It is believed that the existence of power to impose the penalties provided in clauses 9S and 99 for the broadcasting of matter which is contrary to accepted standards of propriety will act as a deterrent to those who are unmindful of the canons of good taste. Clause . 101 provides that talks on medical subjects shall not be broadcast unless they are arranged by reputable medical or other scientific authorities or approved by the Commonwealth Director-General of Health or, with his concurrence, by a State Department of Health. In the past it has been the practice to fix the fee for broadcast listeners’ licences by regulation, but, as it is intended that the new Australian Broadcasting Bill should as far as practicable embrace all phases of broadcasting, clause 105 now stipulates the fee. It also makes provision for the grant of free licences, not only to the blind as at present, but also to schools with an enrolment, of fewer than 50 pupils. This clause also provides for the granting of licences at one-half of the prescribed fee to invalid and old-age pensioners living alone. Provision is also made under this clause that an additional fee - at one-half of the ordinary rate - shall be paid in respect of receivers installed in motor cars and in cases where more than’ one receiver is installed in any household.

Clause 109 provides that licences for facsimile, television and frequency modulation transmissions shall not be granted except on the recommendation of the standing committee. This is a very desirable precaution, and it is in the national interest that new developments in the broadcasting field should be carefully examined before being incorporated in the broadcasting system.

Apart from the foregoing, the only important change which is proposedin the bill is that which is contained in clause 57. At present the Minister has power to revoke licences, but clause 57 gives him the right also to suspend licences for the reasons stated. The need for such a provision has long been felt, as the existing power only to revoke licences is too drastic in most instances. In paragraph 370 of its report, the committee stated-

Individually, the stations are under the control of the Postmaster -General, whose only disciplinary power under the regulations now in force is to cancel or to refuse to renew licences.

Steps are being taken to give effect at the earliest possible date to a number of thejoint committee’s proposals which do not require legislative enactment, or are not appropriate to this bill. I refer particularly to the recommendation made by the Joint Committee on Broadcasting concerning the re-opening of the negotiations between theAustralian Broadcasting Commission and the Australian Newspaper Proprietors Associution respecting news broadcasts, and the further important recommendation that there should be uniformity in the matter of the performing right fee payable by the commission and the Federation of Commercial Broadcasting Stations to the Australasian Performing Right Association. The Government fully supports the views expressed by the committee, but neither matter can be validly included in the bill now before the Senate. Further consideration is being given to both matters.

I submit the bill to honorable senators with the hope that it. will have’ a favorable reception. I invite the fullest discussion on it, and will endeavour to furnish any information required. I shall not regard as vital any amendments proposed with a view to improving the measure.

Debate (on motion by Senator Gibson ) adjourned.

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CONSCIENTIOUS OBJECTORS

Motion to Disallow Regulations

Debate resumed from the 26th March (vide page 438), on motion by Senator Sampson -

That regulations8, 9 and 10 of the National Security (Conscientious Objectors) Regulations, as contained in Statutory Rules 1942, No. 80, issued under the National Security Act 1939-1940, be disallowed.

Question resolved in the affirmative.

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ADJOURNMENT

Wheat Storage in Western Australia - Gold-mining Industry - Impressment offire-arms - Acquisition of Peas - Military Decorations - Compulsory Military Service - Volunteer Defence Corps - War Pensions - Allotments of Military Absentees - Supply of Apples to Military Camps - Commonwealth Bank : Female Employees - Radiologists’ Fees -Coal-mining Industry.

Motion (by Senator Collings) proposed -

That the Senate do now adjourn.

Senator ALLAN MacDONALD:
Western Australia

. -Great publicity has been given to the subject of the storage of wheat in Western Australia, and there has been a good deal of loose and erroneous thinking with regard to it. A committee consisting of Senator Clothier and the honorable member for Wimmera (Mr. Wilson) visited Western Australia some months ago with a view to making a report on the storage of wheat, and since then there has been speculation as to what action the Government will take to implement the committee’s report. In the meantime, there has also been much free speculation as to the actual damage being done to the wheat owing to the depredations of weevils in the wheat. Mr. Braine, the secretary of the body dealing with the bulk-handling of wheat in Western Australia, in a recent report, has clearly indicated that the depredations of weevils are not nearly so extensive as most people thought; in fact, he has reported that they are a minor consideration as far as the effective storage of wheat .in Australia is concerned. We all realize th at on account of the shortage of shipping, and the loss of our overseas markets, the wheat-farmers of Australia are faced with a serious condition of affairs, and that any matter affecting the storage of wheat is a vital consideration, particularly to Western Australia, which produces a large quantity of wheat and has a very limited local market. It can be well understood that consternation was caused in the industry when a statement on this matter by the Minister for Commerce (Mr. Scully) appeared in the Wheatgrower on the 9th April last. The statement included the following remarks : -

Without doubt the weevil problem in Westcm Australia is already serious. At Geraldton and Fremantle there are already vast weevil and lesser grain borer infestations in the bulk-heads, and no means are available foi dealing with the rapidly growing populations. One has only to see the No. 1 bulkhead at Geraldton, where, after less than a year’s storage, there is a heavy 18 in. surface infestation, and the even more severe infestations in the Government Store and Commonwealth Oil Refineries Limited bulk-heads at Fremantle after eighteen months of storage, to become convinced of this.

According to those who have special knowledge of the problem of wheat storage in Western Australia, among whom Mr. Brain must be included, the statement by the Minister contains a gross exaggeration, and doubts are being expressed in Western Australia as to the expert advice which the Minister received before making his statement. Growers who have approached me on this serious matter state that the quantity of wheat stored at the Commonwealth Oil Refineries bulk-heads at Fremantle was 106,936 tons, and that at the out turn the quantity of fair average quality wheat was 106,609 tons. In other words 99.7 per cent, of the wheat stored was of fair average quality. That is a direct contradiction of the statement by the Minister. There is no definite information available at the moment as to the position at the Geraldton bulk-head, or as to when that out-turn will take place, but judging from the figures available from Fremantle, the Minister’s statement was erroneous. I suggest that the Minister representing the Minister for Commerce (Senator Fraser) should inquire from his colleague as to the source of his advice, have the si a tennent corrected and, in addition, have the whole subject .reviewed.

Recently the Minister for War Organization of Industry (Mr. Dedman) visited Western Australia in connexion with the gold-mining industry. Naturally, the people on the gold-fields are anxious to know what the Government intend.s to do about the .industry. Up to date, it has made no definite or real statement of its policy in the matter. I now urge it to give the subject earnest consideration and to make such an announcement as soon as possible. Following the uncertainty which has arisen as the result of recent semi-official reports of the Government’s intentions many men have already left the gold-fields with the result that, in the last five or six weeks, gold production in the State has declined by about 40 per cent. Approximately onefifth of the prosperity of Western Australia depends upon gold production : and no suitable industry is available to take its place. This decline must seriously affect the finances and internal economy of the State. I urge the Government to come to a decision regarding the industry in order to enable those now engaged in it to make necessary plans for the future. It should inform the industry exactly what demands it will make upon man-power on the gold-fields. I repeat what I said when I moved the adjournment of the Senate on this matter during the previous period of the session that engineers on the Western Australian gold-fields are amongst the finest mining engineers in the world. Their services should be employed in urgent defence undertakings such as the construction of aerodromes and strategic roads inland. I am sure that these men would readily respond to such a request for their services. They could easily organize the workers on the goldfields for the carrying out of essential war works of the kind I have mentioned. Their present duties are much more intricate than those involved in the construction of aerodromes and roads. They could carry out such works more efficiently and expeditiously than many of our military authorities who are now charged with the construction of such works. For instance, men engaged in the gold-mining industry recently constructed ah internment camp for aliens at Kalgoorlie within five days. I believe that the military authorities would have taken at least five weeks to complete that job. The Government should not hesitate to utilize the services of these capable rnining engineers in war work.

Another matter to which I wish to refer is the impressment of firearms. A few months ago, a general order was issued for the impressment of arms, and many people were obliged to surrender arms which they had possessed since the last war. No payment has yet been made to the owners of these arms. It is an old business axiom that prompt payment makes good friends. I urge the Government to attend to this matter. The cost involved would not be very high. T raise the subject because many people have complained to me that they have not yet received payment. Many farmers are seeking the return of shotguns which they surrendered under impressment orders. Similar requests have also been made to the Department of the Army by various, roads boards and local government bodies in Western Australia, particularly in respect of owners who are British subjects. Farmers generally require these arms in order to keep down pests. Possession of the arms also gives to settlers in outlying places a sense of protection, and I urge the return of these arms as early as possible.

Senator HERBERT HAYS:
Tasmania

– When the Senate adjourned some weeks ago, I spoke on a question concerning the Department of Commerce. It had reference to the Government’s acquisition of the pea crop in Tasmania. As a. number of questions relating to that subject have been placed on the noticepaper to-day, I shall content myself merely with referring to one important aspect of it, regarding which an explanation is due from the Government. A month ago I drew the Government’s attention to the need for making a payment to the people whose pea crops had been acquired. If the growers had been allowed to sell their crops through ordinary trade channels, they would hav« received, not only a higher price, which would have .been of great moment to them, but also prompt payment. If, for instance, they had delivered their crops during a week, payment would have been made in cash as soon as delivery was made. I should like to hear from the Minister representing the Minister for Commerce (Senator Fraser) or from some other representative of the Government, why the Government is not able to conduct this business in the way that it would have been conducted by private enterprise. I remind the Government that it is ever ready to condemn the methods of private enterprise.

The product taken over has not been placed in a pool, and the price to be paid is not dependent on the. amount of money that will be received from sales. For all practical purposes, the transaction is an outright purchase by the Government of a product to be sent overseas. Why should there be any delay in making payment? We were advised a month ago that payment would be made. The growers have had to pay all. expenses incidental to’ the growing, harvesting and marketing of their crops, but so far there is no indication as to when payment will be made. Is there any reason why the Government should not have used the brokers, who would ordinarily handle the produce, to conduct the transaction, and to make payments to the growers? The Government did the growers a great wrong by acquiring their property at a price lower than the ruling market price at the time when the pea crop was acquired. I shall not deal with that aspect this afternoon, but rather with the question of payment, which is of great moment to the growers. There is no point in withholding payment. I find, and other honorable senators find also, as we move about the country; that the Government is taking over - quite properly in a. time of emergency - various properties and businesses. It should, in such transactions, set the example for making payments as promptly as they would be made if the sales were arranged privately. There is no reason whatever, seeing that it is the outright purchaser, why it should not pay these deserving people at once the full price due to them. It has assessed the price of the A grade crop at 15s. a bushel, and of the B grade crop at 12b. a bushel. Why. not send the growers their cheques in the ordinary business way? There is nothing difficult or complicated in the transaction, and all it calls for on the part of the Government is the same procedure that would be followed by private enterprise. The British Government, which was buying the commodity, said that it desired to do the business through the ordinary channels of trade, and if the Australian Government had decided to form a pool one could understand that final payment would depend on the results of sales. 1 shall not -say any more now except to ask the Minister representing the Minister for Commerce to see that early action is taken.

Senator Aylett:

– Have the growers received any advance?

Senator HERBERT HAYS:

– There is nothing to show that they have. I know that some growers who sold their crops at fi a bushel have received payment through ordinary channels. The Government should apply ordinary business principles and should pay these thousands of people what is due to them. That would have settled the whole transaction, and every body would have been happy. As it is, every body is annoyed and many people have been embarrassed because of the Government’s action in not dealing with the matter promptly. I urge the Government to see that this question is cleared up and that payment is made to these people without further delay.

Senator BRAND:
Victoria

.- There is general satisfaction in the fighting services at the public statement made by the Minister for the Army (Mr. Forde) that ‘ the Government considers that the existing Empire decorations awarded by His Majesty the King for bravery, provide fully for the recognition of valor, distinguished service and devotion to duty by troops in the field. Apparently, the Minister’s statement was made in answer to a suggestion that Australia should have its own medal for bravery. The existing awards for bravery and distinguished service in time of war on land, on the sea, or in the air, are tangible British Empire links which the great majority of Australian citizens hope will never be broken. I understand that some recommendations for honours and awards are being dealt with at present- and will be submitted to the King for approval in due course.

My attention has been drawn to the fact that numbers of men who served in the war of 1914-18 are being called up for compulsory military service. These men are prepared to serve” in the Volunteer Defence Corps or to assist in any recognized defence activity, but after having undertaken voluntarily, four years’ active service in the last war, they object strongly to being compelled to serve in our defence forces now just because they are within the latest call-up age limits. They say, rightly, “ Why should I be compelled to serve again when hundreds of eligible men are sheltering in so-called reserved occupations, or have been granted exemptions on the flimsiest excuses?” The proper place for these returned men is in the Volunteer Defence Corps, but they are debarred from enlisting because they are under 45 years of age. Many members of the Volunteer Defence Corps are men under 45 years of age, who although they are exempt from military service or are engaged on essential war industries, desire to possess some military knowledge. I suggest to the Government that returned soldiers who are under the minimum age limit be accepted as members of the Volunteer Defence Corps.

Hundreds of members of the Australian Military Forces have recorded their names for enrolment in the Australian Imperial Force, and I suggest that their transfer be effected, either by absorption into the existing units of the Australian Imperial Force, or by organization as first reinforcements. This would be an advantage- to the Australian Imperial Force when the time arrived, as it must do very soon, for a large-scale offensive, based on Australia. It is no use waiting until that offensive is launched against non-mandated territories before combing the Militia Forces for young men who desire to serve voluntarily in a force, the operations of which are not restricted by the Defence Act or section 13a of the National Security Act.

At question time this afternoon, I asked the Minister representing the Treasurer whether, in legislating for an increase of the invalid and old-age pension, dependants of men who gave their lives in the war of 1914-18 and the present war have been considered. In war-time, when colossal expenditure of public money in the interests of our safety and liberty as a nation is inescapable, is it a sound policy to increase pensions of any kind? There is a difference of opinion on this point, but I venture to say that there is no difference of opinion amongst the majority of Australian people that widows and widowed mothers of deceased service men who have given their all to safeguard our freedom should not be overlooked, if and when the money can be found to meet the higher costs of living. I claim that these people who might be in necessitous circumstances are entitled to increases of their pensions as much as invalid and old-age pensioners. Many of them have remarried, and so are no longer in need of assistance, hut ‘hundreds are still battling along, rearing and educating their children, and denying themselves little extras which they require for their health and comfort. They have no big association to plead their case or to threaten the Government with action if their representations are ignored. The cost of living has increased, but the pensions of these people have remained static for some years. I ask Ministers in this chamber to use their influence with the Treasurer (Mr. Chifley) to see if more consideration can be given to those deserving individuals. Perhaps the omission is an oversight, because I understand that the Government intends to increase the service pension to bring it into line with the invalid and old-age pension. That is as it should be, since the service pension is the soldier’s invalid -Or old-age Dension, the qualification conditions being identical. I make these suggestions hopin cr that some. pood will come from them.

Senator LAMP:
Tasmania

.- I wish to bring to the notice of the Government an anomaly which inflicts great hardship upon the wives and families of certain soldiers. The case which I shall cite is that of Private A. J. Challenger, Petrol Company, Australian Army Service Corps, 7 th Division. Private Challenger was a member of a contingent of Australian soldiers which went to England and later returned to the Middle East. I understand that, on the return trip, this soldier committed some minor offence for which he was fined and also imprisoned on the boat. When the boat arrived at Suez, he could not .be found. The payments to his wife were stopped and when the matter was taken up with the Defence Department it was stated that Private Challenger was an absentee and could not be traced. His wife was asked to return his paybook to the military authorities. She has one child and is not in a position to work. 1 believe that there are other cases of a similar character. I suggest .that the defence authorities should make some provision whereby payments to this woman’ and to others who are left without support in similar -circumstances could continue until such .time as it is definitely ascertained’ whether the soldiers concerned are dead, missing, or deserters. There are many ways in which Private Challenger could have become missing at Suez. I know of several cases in which men have been deliberately absent without leave. Immediately a man is listed as being absent without leave, payments to his wife are stopped. Recently, my attention was drawn to a case of that nature in which a woman with six children was involved. The unfortunate fact is that when a soldier is absent without leave, his wife is penalized, whereas the man himself should be penalized. My suggestion is that payments to the wife should continue, and be deducted from the soldier’s pay when he returns to duty. That would have the effect of penalizing the man instead of his wife. I also ask the Government to do something to mitigate the hardship caused in cases such as that of Mrs. Challenger, who has been left with a child to look after and a house to pay for, without receiving any income at all.

Senator Keane:

– Through no fault of her own.

Senator LAMP:

– That is so. Something should be done to remove that anomaly.

Many soldiers in Tasmania have asked me why they are not supplied with apples, when hundreds of thousands of bushels of the fruit are going to waste in the orchards. Normally, Tasmania exports about 3,000,000 bushels of Sturmer apples to England annually, but only a small percentage of that quantity will be shipped overseas this year. In many orchards, I have seen the ground literally covered with rotting fruit. My wife and the wife of the honorable member for Bass (Mr. Barnard) have, on frequent occasions, received orders from the Apple and Pear Board permitting them to go to an orchard and collect apples free of charge for sale on behalf of the Australian Comforts Fund. Hospitals are also supplied with apples free of charge, and there is no reason why military camps should not receive similar treatment. The collection of the fruit would not throw any extra cost upon the services, because both the Army and the Air Force regularly send trucks to country centres in order to buy primary produce for camp supplies. These trucks could be used to pick up apples and distribute them to the camps in the ordinary course of their work. The people of Australia will not stand for this apple and pear racket much longer. God has blessed this country with an abundance of fruit, but it is allowed to go to waste. Something ought to be done to make proper use of this gift of nature! It would not be difficult to supply apples, not only to military camps in Tasmania but also to camps on the mainland, instead of allowing them to go to waste. The apples belong to the Government, and there is nothing to prevent it from doing as I suggest.

I now make a plea on behalf of female employees of the Commonwealth Bank of Australia. Many of these worthy women are now doing counter work which is usually done by men. They are expected to wear uniforms consisting of navy blue skirts and white blouses, whereas the men are not required to wear uniforms and. can wear their old clothes if they want to do so. The necessity for providing uniforms imposes a hardship upon these women. This regulation should be cancelled, or, at least they should be allowed to wear some other colour in place of navy blue. If the bank wants to be patriotic it could let them wear red, white and blue, but at any rate it should relieve them of the obligation to provide their own uniforms.

On the 25th March, 1942, I asked the Minister representing the Treasurer what’ amount had been paid to radiologists in the Southern Command for carrying out X-ray examinations of members of the fighting services since the commencement of hostilities, and to whom that money had been paid? I expected then that an answer would be supplied to me by letter during the parliamentary recess, but so far I have not received one, and I should like the Minister to reply to my question as soon as possible.

Senator COLLINGS:
QueenslandMinister for the Interior · ALP

– in reply - On the 26th March, 1942, Senator Collett asked the following questions, upon notice -

  1. In view of recent press statements of a nature disturbing to the gold-mining communities of Western Australia, will the Government make an early announcement in respect of its policy concerning the immediate future of the gold-mining industry?
  2. What was the nature of the mission entrusted to Mr. H. V. Johnson, the member for Kalgoorlie, in the fulfilment of which he was recently engaged in touring the Western Australian gold-fields?

The Prime Minister has furnished the following answers : -

  1. The Government is now considering the question of the extent to which the gold-mining industry in Western Australia will have to contribute to the man-power requirements for war purposes, and an announcement regarding same will be made in due course.
  2. Mr. H. V. Johnson, the member for Kalgoorlie, in his recent tour of the Western Australian gold-fields, did so as the Federal member for that electorate.

On the 26th March, 1942, Senator Allan. MacDonald asked the following questions, upon notice -

  1. . Is it a fact that the Government deputed the member for Kalgoorlie (Mr. H. V. Johnson. M.P.) to proceed from Canberra to various parts of the Western Australian gold-fields and there to break the news to the different parties vitally affected by the success of the gold-mining industry, that it is the intention of the Government to take man-power action which will mean the cessation of gold production ?
  2. Did the Government give Mr. Johnson hisinstructions in writing. If not, why not?
  3. What facilities, and the cost of same, were made available to Mr. Johnson to enable him to visit the various gold-fields areas fertile purpose aforesaid?

The Prime Minister has furnished the following reply: -

Mr. H. V. Johnson, the honorable member for Kalgoorlie, in his recent tour of the Western Australian gold-fields, did so as the Federal member for that electorate.

On the 26th March, 1942, Senator McLeay asked the following questions, upon notice -

In view of the Prime Minister’s statement early in January that the Government would be traitorous to Australia if it’ tolerated stoppages in the production of coal, and the subsequent regulations promulgated to deal with such contingencies, will the Minister inform the Senate -

Whether any action has been taken against offenders as provided in sub-regulation ( 1 ) of Regulation 27b of the National Security (Coal Control) Regulations?

Whether the’ duly constituted Committee of Management of any organization of employees in the coal-mining industry has at any stage (and, if so, when) directed any of its members, as provided for in sub-regulation (1) of Regulation 27b of the Coal Control Regulations?

If the answer to 2 is in the affirmative, has the Union Committee used the power of expulsion from membership as provided in sub-regulation (2) of Regulation 27b? If this is answered in the affirmative, how many expulsions have been made?

Has the Government taken any action, or is any action contemplated, as provided by Regulation 27c, which gives the Coal Commis- sion power to direct that in the case of offenders, exemption from military training be withdrawn 1

The Prime Minister has furnished the following answers: -

  1. No. Notices were served in several cases.
  2. Yes - in connexion with strikes at “ Maitland Main “ on 9th February, 1942. and at “Coal Cliff” on 23rd February, 1942.
  3. No - but in two cases fines have been imposed on members by lodges or districts of the federation.
  4. No such action has been taken but action under Statutory Rule 77 of 1942 has been taken in several cases.

Question resolved in the affirmative.

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PAPERS

The following papers were pre sented : -

Air Force Act - Regulations - Statutory Rules 1942, Nos. 121, 158.

Arbitration (Public Service) Act - Determinations by the Arbitrator.&c. -

No. 13 of 1942 - Commonwealth Public Service Clerical Association.

No. 14 of 1942 - Commonwealth PublicService Artisans’ Association.

No. 15 of 1942 - Arms, Explosives and Munition Workers’ Federation of Australia; and Commonwealth Foremen’s Association.

Audit Act - Regulations - Statutory Rules 1942, No. 184.

Commonwealth Public Service Act -

Appointment - Department of Treasury - K. A. Davies.

Regulations - Statutory Rules 1942, Nos. 167, 174, 182.

Customs Act -

Proclamation, dated 8th April, 1942, prohibiting the exportation (except under certain conditions) of Cotton, absorbent and manufactures thereof; Glass, laminated; Salt.

Regulations - Statutory Rules 1942, No. 148.

Defence Act - Regulations - Statutory Rules 1942, Nos. 114, 120, 136, 166, 179.

Lands Acquisition Act - Land required at - Adelaide, South Australia - For Postal purposes.

Bairnsdale, Victoria - For Defence purposes (2).

Botany, New South Wales - For Defence purposes.

Caloundra, Queensland - For Defence purposes.

Cheltenham, South Australia - For Defence purposes.

Fairfield, Victoria - For Defence purposes.

Forbes. New South Wales - For Defence purposes.

Kalgoorlie, Western. Australia - For Defence purposes.

Morwell, Victoria - For Defence purposes.

Mudgee, New South Wales - For Defence purposes.

Muresk, Western Australia - For Defence purposes.

North Stockton, New South Wales - For Defence purposes.

Rutherford, New South Wales - For Defence purposes.

South Melbourne, Victoria - For Defence purposes.

Terang, Victoria - For Defence purposes.

Wellington, New South Wales - For Defence purposes.

Welshpool, Western Australia - For Defence purposes.

National Security Act -

National Security (Capital Issues) Regulations - Order - Exemption.

National Security (Emergency Supplies) Regulations - Declaration - Prescribed Goods.

National Security (Firearms and Explosives) Regulations - Order - Prohibiting possession of firearms and explosive’s by certain persons.

National Security (General) Regulations -

By-laws - Controlled areas.

Orders -

Control of Cork.

Control of Imported Spun Cotton.

Control of Lights.

Control’ of Rubber.

Control of Silk.

Inventions and designs (106).

Prohibited places (5).

Protected areas (2).

Requisitioning of. Binoculars.

Requisitioning of property other than land (4).

Taking possession of land,&c. (235).

Use of land (59).

National Security (Man Power) Regulations - Orders -

Protected undertakings (28).

Reserved occupations.

National Security (Prices) Regulations -

Declarations Nos. 71-92.

Declaration (Papua ) No. 7.

Orders Nos. 490-650.

Order (Papau) No. 11.

National Security (Prisoners of War) Regulations -

Orders -

Prisoners of War Correspondence (2).

Prisoners of War (Pay Arrangements ) .

Rules - Camp (6).

National Security (Supplementary) Regu lations - Order - Supply of banking statistics to Treasurer.

National Security (Timber Control) Regulations - Orders - Control of Timber (5).

National Security (War Damage to Property) Regulations - Orders -

Public Authority.

Rates of Contributions.

Regulations - Statutory Rules 1942. Nos.

Naval Defence Act - . Regulations - Statutory Rules 1942. Nos. 180, 181, 183.

Northern Territory Acceptance Act and Northern Territory (Administration) Act - Ordinance No.” 2 of 1942 - Military Roads.

Seat of Government Acceptance Act and Seat of Government (Administration) Act - Regulation No. 4 of 1942 - (Building and Services Ordinance).

Senate adjourned at5.55 p.m.

Cite as: Australia, Senate, Debates, 29 April 1942, viewed 22 October 2017, <http://historichansard.net/senate/1942/19420429_senate_16_170/>.

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