House of Representatives
23 August 1974

29th Parliament · 1st Session

  1. House of Representatives
  2. 29th Parliament
  3. 1974

Mr SPEAKER (Hon. J. F. Cope) took the chair at 10.30 a.m., and read prayers.

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PETITIONS

The Clerk:

– Petitions have been lodged for presentation as follows and copies will be referred to the appropriate Ministers:

Child Endowment

To the Honourable the Speaker and Members of the House of Representatives in Parliament assembled:

The humble Petition of the undersigned citizens of Australia respectfully showeth that

Child Endowment received by families has declined relative to average earnings so that today it is about 20 per cent of its value in 1 949.

The Interim Report of the Australian Government’s Commission Into Poverty recommended a substantial increase in Child Endowment as a way of alleviating poverty.

This report pointed out that increased Child Endowment deserved priority and would be advantageous to the community in the long run.

It specifically recommended increasing child endowment from 50 cents to $1.50 for the first child; from $ 1 . 00 cents to $2.00 for the second child; from $2.00 cents to $4.00 for the third child; from $2.25 cents to $7.00 for the fourth child; and to $8.00 for subsequent children.

Your petitioners humbly request that the Government increase Child Endowment in the September Budget.

And your petitioners, as in duty bound, will ever pray. by Mrs Child, Mr Clayton, Mr Mathews and Mr Staley.

Petitions received.

National Health Scheme

To the Honourable, the Speaker, and members of the House of Representatives in Parliament assembled:

The humble petition of undersigned citizens of Australia respectfully showeth:

That the proposed ‘free’ national health scheme is not free at all and will cost four out of five Australians more than the present scheme.

That the proposed scheme is discriminatory and a further erosion of the civil liberties of Australian citizens, particularly working wives and single persons.

That the proposed scheme is in fact a plan for nationalised medicine which will lead to gross waste and inefficiencies in medical services and will ultimately remove an individual’s right to choose his/her own doctor.

Your petitioners therefore humbly pray that the Government will take no measures to interfere with the basic principles of the existing health scheme which functions efficiently and economically.

And your petitioners, as in duty bound, will ever pray. by Mr Ellicott, Mr McLeay and Mr Riordan.

Petitions received.

Social Services

To the Honourable Speaker and Members of the House of Representatives in Parliament assembled the petition of the undersigned citizens of Australia respectfully showeth:

That inflation which now besets so many countries today and in Australia is now at the rate of 14.4 per cent per annum is most seriously affecting and making life intolerable for those least able to take corrective action to maintain their position, namely, pensioners and those now retired living on fixed incomes.

Whilst the Australian Government is giving effect to its election policy of making $1.50 per week pension increases each Autumn and Spring such actions have been completely nullified by the stated rate of inflation.

This fact of life impels your petitioners to call on the Australian Government as a matter of urgency to:

Make a cash loading of $5 per week to those pensioners who have little means other than the present inadequate pension eroded by inflation.

That each Autumn and Spring the increase in social security pension payments be not less than $3 per week to ensure that within a reasonable period the Government’s policy pledge to affix all pensions at 25 per cent of the average weekly earnings be achieved.

In order that money may go to areas of greater need the Tapered Means Test ceilings of income and assets be frozen.

To allay the concern of social security recipients as to their future when in 1975 the means test has been abolished and replaced by a National Superannuation Act that there be an assurance by the Australian Government that the said Act will provide a guaranteed minimum income to social security recipients based on the policy of the Australian Commonwealth Pensioners’ Federation and that of the Australian Council of Trade Unions, namely, the payment of 30 per cent of average weekly earnings adjusted from time to time in accordance with figures issued by the Commonwealth Statistician and published quarterly.

And your petitioners, in duty bound, will ever pray. by Mr Graham, Mr Riordan and Mr Thorburn.

Petitions received.

Aid for Sahelian Region of Africa

To the Honourable the Speaker and members of the House of Representatives in Parliament assembled:

The humble Petition of the undersigned citizens of Australia respectfully showeth:

That up to ten million people are said by the UN SecretaryGeneral, Mr Kurt Waldheim, to face death by starvation in the Sahelian region of Africa and that as a result of this drought, many nomads are being forced to give up their traditional way of life, and

That the resources of the Governments of this region are inadequate to cope with either the immediate or longterm needs of these people.

Your Petitioners therefore humbly pray that the House urge the Government (1) to grant at least $10m immediate emergency aid to the Sahelian region of Africa and continue to assist in the long term agricultural and social development of the region and (2) to take a leading part in initiatives to set up world food and fertiliser funds at the World Food Conference in November.

And your Petitioners, as in duty bound, will ever pray. by Mr Enderby.

Petition received.

Supporting Fathers

To the Honourable the Speaker and members of the House of Representatives in Parliament assembled:

The humble Petition of undersigned citizens of Australia respectfully showeth:

That a Pension Scheme for males, bringing up and supporting their children, similar to that which is in operation for females in a similar position, be implemented immediately to alleviate the suffering of the supporting males and their children and whereas in the case of a parent (male or female) working full time and employing a housekeeper, the housekeeper’s total wage should be totally tax deductible.

Your Petitioners therefore humbly pray that the Government take steps immediately to rectify this situation.

And your petitioners, as in duty bound, will ever pray. by Mr Chipp.

Petition received.

Education

To the Honourable the Speaker and members of the House of Representatives in Parliament assembled:

The Petition of the undersigned citizens of Australia respectfully showeth:

Your petitioners believe in the principle that every Australian child, irrespective of the school he attends, is entitled to economic support for his basic educational needs from the funds placed at the disposal of the Australian Government through taxation. Further, they believe that this economic support should be in the form of per pupil grants which are directly related to the cost of educating an Australian child in a government school.

Your petitioners believe that in addition to this basic per pupil grant additional assistance should be provided in cases of educational disadvantage, but they believe that the appropriate instruments for reducing economic inequalities are taxation and social welfare systems which deal with individuals and families and not with schools.

Your petitioners therefore humbly pray that, as an interim measure, the Government will immediately increase the current grants being made to children in non-government schools to at least50 per cent of the cost of educating children in government schools, thus enabling the nongovernment schools to continue to exist and fulfil their function of educating Australian children.

And your petitioners, as in duty bound, will ever pray. by Mr Clayton.

Petition received.

Pornographic Literature and Films

To the Honourable the Speaker and members of the House of Representatives in Parliament assembled:

The humble petition of undersigned citizens of Australia respectfully showeth:

That the undersigned persons believe that some literature and films being published and shown throughout Australia are detrimental to the wellbeing of the Community.

Your petitioners thereby humbly pray that the Government will take steps to see that the publication and availability of pornographic and other material of that nature is restricted and that the people are made aware of the dangers to the Community from such literature and films.

And your petitioners, as in duty bound, will ever pray. by Mr Garland.

Petition received.

Self-Government for the Australian Capital Territory

To the Honourable the Speaker and members of the House of Representatives in Parliament assembled:

The humble Petition of the undersigned residents of the Australian Capital Territory respectfully showeth:

  1. 1 ) That Australian citizens are already governed to an excessive extent, and to introduce machinery to provide self-government for the Australian Capital Territory would exacerbate this situation.
  2. That the cost of providing self-government for the Australian Capital Territory will have to be borne by residents of the Australian Capital Territory, and that self-government should not be instituted without consulting by means of a referendum those who will have to bear the cost.
  3. That any provision of self-government would be meaningless unless it received popular support from the residents of the Australian Capital Territory, and the measure of the extent of this popular support could be best obtained by means of a referendum.

Your Petitioners therefore humbly pray that the House urge the Government not to proceed with the introduction of selfgovernment for the Australian Capital Territory until the residents of the Australian Capital Territory are consulted, by means of a referendum, on the issue.

And your Petitioners, as in duty bound, will ever pray. by Mr Hunt.

Petition received.

Political Prisoners in Indonesia

To the Honourable the Speaker and members of the House of Representatives in Parliament assembled:

The humble Petition of the undersigned citizens of Australia respectfully showeth:

That many Australians believe that thousands of political prisoners have been detained for long periods in Indonesia, without trial, legal advice or cultural and educational activity, have been subjected to forced labour and often suffer from malnutrition.

That any such prisoners would face great difficulty in reintegrating into society on release.

Your Petitioners therefore humbly pray that the House urge the Prime Minister to make known publicly to the Indonesian authorities when he visits Indonesia the concern of Australians about the plight of Indonesian political prisoners.

And your Petitioners, as in duty bound, will every pray. by Mr Jacobi.

Petitionreceived

Industrial Solar Energy

To the Honourable the Speaker and Members of the House of Representatives in Parliament assembled:

The humble petition of the undersigned citizens of Australia respectfully showeth:

That the world ‘s supply of fossil fuel is limited, and that research into alternative sources of energy is urgent.

That nuclear energy is a source of dangerous pollution, and contains inherent threats to the very existence of mankind.

That solar energy is increasingly acknowledged as a possible alternative, and deserves the type of research for which Australia’s size and climate is particularly suited.

That the problems of harnessing solar energy could well be solved if efforts comparable with our atomic energy research were applied to it.

Your Petitioners therefore humbly pray that the Government will reduce its current spending on atomic energy research, and urgently set aside sufficient funds for meaningful research into industrial solar energy, and take whatever steps may be necessary to see that this research is begun with the shortest possible delay. by Mr McLeay.

Petition received.

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NOTICE OF MOTION

Mr Georgi Ermolenko

Mr GARLAND:
Curtin

-I give notice that, as provided by standing order 133, on the next day of sitting I will move:

That the Minister for Foreign Affairs be censured and the Prime Minister call for him to resign because of his indifference or negation of human rights in Australia as exemplified by his actions in the matter relating to Georgi Ermolenko, the Russian violinist who, being an adult, while in Australia subject to the full protection of Australian law made known to the Rev. Lance Johnston, Priest of the Church of England and sub-warden of St. George’s College, Crawley, of the University of Western Australia, and the Rev. Berthwick, Priest of the Church of England and Tutor in Philosophy of the University of Western Australia, and Harold John Badger, Director of the Melba Conservatorium of Music, Melbourne, his desire to stay in Australia.

Whereupon the Minister

Knowing on Sunday11 August 1974, while he, the Minister, was in Perth, that Ermolenko wished not to return to Russia, failed to take steps to see he was fully protected.

Knowing Ermolenko ‘s whereabouts, or having the opportunity to find out, failed to establish immediately on Sunday afternoon, evening, or Monday morning, the true and freely given wishes of Ermolenko.

Allowed a situation to develop whereby the Rev. Johnston, Rev. Borthwick and Mr Badger (who were and are objective and truthful persons) were prevented from talking to Ermolenko, except much later at the airport for two minutes in company with all the Russians.

Mr Innes:

– I rise to a point of order, Mr Speaker. My point of order is to inquire from you whether this is a notice of motion in the strict terms governing notices of motion, or is the honourable gentleman making a speech?

Mr SPEAKER:

– The matter being dealt with is contained in the notice of motion and the honourable member for Curtin is therefore in order.

Mr GARLAND:

– I continue with my notice of motion:

  1. Consistently accepted the views of the matter as presented by the Russian Embassy officials.
  2. Failed at any stage to acknowledge the facts relating to the first vital 30 hours of the case, now set out in affidavits of those involved.
  3. Arranged for persons who strongly favour the Government’s policies and principles to judge and report on Ermolenko ‘s true wishes.
  4. Disregarded and personally attacked those who suggest Ermolenko did not or may not want to return to Russia with the Russian party; including Rev. Johnston, Rev. Borthwick, Mr Badger, University students, journalists, an interpreter from the Immigration Department, Members of Parliament, Amnesty International Office-bearers and representatives of many other groups and citizens alarmed at events.
  5. Arranged a carefully controlled and staged Press conference of selected media representatives, all of whom reported their doubts that Ermolenko was speaking freely, and at which the acting Russian Ambassador was party present and partly just outside the door, within easy hearing distance.
  6. Failed to take notice of the many indications that Ermolenko was acting under duress.
  7. Either deliberately or neglectfully gave misleading and wrong information to the Senate and the Australian people about the facts relating to the matter.
  8. 1 . In contempt of the Courts of this country arranged the use of a Royal Australian Air Force aircraft to fly the Russian Party out of Australia when there was a legal action before the Supreme Court and a process requiring Ermolenko to appear the next morning where Ermolenko freely expressed desire could have been obtained and the rule of law upheld.

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QUESTION

QUESTIONS

Mr SPEAKER:

-Are there any questions?

Mr WHITLAM:
Prime Minister · WERRIWA, NEW SOUTH WALES · ALP

- Mr Speaker, I ask that questions today be placed on notice.

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AUSTRALIAN AGRICULTURAL COUNCIL

Dr PATTERSON:
Minister for Northern Development and Minister for the Northern Territory · Dawson · ALP

– For the information of the honourable members I present the resolutions of the eighty-eighth and eighty-ninth meetings of the Australian Agricultural Council.

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GRANTS COMMISSION

Mr LIONEL BOWEN:
KINGSFORD-SMITH, NEW SOUTH WALES · ALP

– Pursuant to section 25 of the Grants Commission Act 1973 I present for the information of honourable members the first report (1974) of the Grants Commission on Financial Assistance to Local Government.

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GROWTH CENTRES FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE ACT

Mr UREN:
Minister for Urban and Regional Development · Reid · ALP

– Pursuant to section 15 of the Growth Centres (Financial Assistance) Act 1 973I present for the information of honourable members a copy of an agreement between the Australian Government and the Tasmanian Government relating to a study program based on the proposed strategic development study for Tasmania.

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COUNCIL FOR ABORIGINAL AFFAIRS

Mr BRYANT:
Minister for the Capital Territory · Wills · ALP

– On behalf of the Minister for Aboriginal Affairs I present for the information of honourable members the report entitled ‘Program for Yuendumu and Hooker Creek’ prepared by the Council for Aboriginal Affairs.

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PAPUA NEW GUINEA

Mr MORRISON:
Minister for Science and Minister Assisting the Minister for Foreign Affairs in Matters Relating to Papua New Guinea · St George · ALP

– For the information of honourable members I present the report of the Administration of Papua New Guinea for the year ended 30 June 1973.

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LEAVE TO MAKE STATEMENT REFUSED

Mr SPEAKER:

-Is leave granted?

Mr Daly:

– No.

Mr Peacock:

– There will be no opportunity to discuss -

MrSPEAKER-Order!

Mr Peacock:

– Well, this is the Parliament of the nation -

Mr SPEAKER:

-Order! The honourable gentleman has been here long enough to know that once leave has been refused no debate can take place.

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PERSONAL EXPLANATION

Mr GARLAND:
Curtin

-I wish to make a personal explanation.

Mr SPEAKER:

-Does the honourable member claim to have been misrepresented?

Mr GARLAND:

– Yes. I have been misrepresented by the Minister for Foreign Affairs (Senator Willesee) in the Senate. I refer to his speech in the Senate on 13 August 1974 as reported at page 847 of the Senate Hansard. The Minister was referring to a meeting that was called by him in connection with the Ermolenko affair to which I referred earlier when presenting my notice of motion. First, in speaking of this meeting, the Minister said:

Mr Garland was not invited but he turned up and so did a lot of other people.

I received an invitation from the Perth office of the Minister for Foreign Affairs at my office at 1 1.45 for the 12.30 meeting. Secondly, the Minister elsewhere in the debate misrepresented me by saying that I got on the bandwagon. I make it clear that I heard about this matter at 1 p.m. on Sunday, 1 1 August, and took no public action whatever until 6 o’clock on the afternoon of Tuesday, 13 August, after I had been unable to get any assurance from members of the Minister’s Department that they were satisfied that Ermolenko was speaking his mind freely.

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MEDICAL AND SURGICAL AIDS AND APPLIANCES

Dr EVERINGHAM:
Minister for Health · Capricornia · ALP

– For the information of honourable members, I present the following report prepared by the Working Party on Medical and Surgical Aids and Appliances entitled:

Provision of Stoma Appliances to all who need them.

Provision of Dialysis Equipment and Supplies for home dialysis.

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GOVERNOR-GENERAL’S SPEECH

Address-in-Reply

Mr SPEAKER:

– I desire to inform the House that the Address-in-Reply will be presented to His Excellency the Governor-General at Government House at 5.30 p.m. on Wednesday, 18 September 1974.I shall be glad if the mover and seconder together with other honourable members will accompany me to present the Address.

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BILLS RETURNED FROM THE SENATE

Mr SPEAKER:

– I have received messages from the Senate returning the following Bills without amendment:

Transport (Planning and Research) Bill 1974.

States Grants (Urban Public Transport) Bill 1974.

Urban Public Transport (Research and Planning) Bill 1974.

Prices Justification Bill 1974.

Stevedoring Industry (Temporary Provisions) Bill 1 974.

Marginal Dairy Farms Agreements Bill 1974.

Public Works Committee Bill 1974.

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ASSENT TO BILLS

Mr SPEAKER:

– I have received messages from His Excellency the Governor-General notifying assent to the following Bills affirmed by an absolute majority of the total number of the members of the Senate and of the House of Representatives at the Joint Sitting:

Commonwealth Electoral Bill (No. 2) 1973.

Senate (Representation of Territories) Bill 1973.

Representation Bill 1973.

Health Insurance Commission Bill 1 973.

Health Insurance Bill 1973.

Petroleum and Minerals Authority Bill 1973.

I have also received messages from His Excellency the Governor-General notifying assent to the following Bills:

Glebe Lands (Appropriation) Bill 1974.

Financial Corporations Bill 1974.

National Health Bill 1974.

Stevedoring Industry (Temporary Provisions) Bill 1 974.

States Grants ( Urban Public Transport) Bill 1 974.

Urban Public Transport (Research and Planning) Bill 1974.

Prices Justification Bill 1 974.

Public Works Committee Bill 1974.

Marginal Dairy Farms Agreements Bill 1 974.

Transport (Planning and Research) Bill 1974.

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JOINT COMMITTEE ON FOREIGN AFFAIRS AND DEFENCE

Mr SPEAKER:

– I wish to inform the House of the following nominations of senators and members to be members of the Joint Committee on Foreign Affairs and Defence: Mr Berinson, Mr Coates, Mr Cross, Mr Dawkins, Mr Fry, Mr Kerin, Dr Klugman and Mr Oldmeadow have been nominated by the Prime Minister; Mr Connolly, Dr Forbes, Mr Giles and Mr Peacock have been nominated by the Leader of the Opposition; Mr Corbett and Mr Lucock have been nominated by the Leader of the Australian Country Party; Senators Drury, Mcintosh, Primmer and Wheeldon have been nominated by the Leader of the Government in the Senate; Senators Carrick and Sim have been nominated by the Leader of the Opposition in that House; and Senator Maunsell has been nominated by the

Leader of the Australian Country Party in that House.

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AUSTRALIAN ECONOMY

Discussion of Matter of Public Importance

Mr SPEAKER:

– I have received a letter from the right honourable the Leader of the Opposition (Mr Snedden) proposing that a definite matter of public importance be submitted to the House for discussion, namely:

The alarming decline of confidence in the community arising out of the Government’s inability to handle the deteriorating economic situation which has been created by its own policies, and contributed to by the conflicting statements of Ministers, the Prime Minister’s abdication of leadership and the rapidly worsening employment situation.

I call upon those members who approve of the proposed discussion to rise in their places. (More than the number of members required by the Standing Orders having risen in their places) -

Mr SNEDDEN:
Leader of the Opposition · Bruce

- Mr Speaker -

Motion (by Mr Daly) put:

That the business of the day be called on.

The House divided. (Mr Speaker- Hon. J. F. Cope)

AYES: 55

NOES: 47

Majority……. 8

In division:

AYES

NOES

Question resolved in the affirmative.

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TRADE PRACTICES BILL 1974

Bill returned from the Senate with amendments.

Suspension of Standing Orders

Mr SPEAKER:

-Order! I ask the Leader of the Opposition to resume his seat for a moment. I think he would be aware that the Standing Orders provide that first he must get the callthat is, first, he must address the Speaker seeking the call- and if he does that he will certainly be in order. I am not trying to stifle the Leader of the Opposition. I just want to put the proceedings in order.

Mr SPEAKER:

-Order! I ask the Leader of the Opposition to resume his seat for a moment. I think he would be aware that the Standing Orders provide that first he must get the callthat is, first, he must address the Speaker seeking the call- and if he does that he will certainly be in order. I am not trying to stifle the Leader of the Opposition. I just want to put the proceedings in order.

Mr Snedden:

– I called to you and I understood that you called me.

Mr SPEAKER:

– I call the Leader of the Opposition.

Mr SNEDDEN:
Leader of the Opposition · Bruce

– I move:

This House has been assembled for 2 purposes, the first relating to the Trade Practices Bill and the other to the Roads Grants Bill and the National Roads Bill. Both the Roads Bills can be taken as one matter and the Trade Practices Bill is another matter. The likelihood is that the whole proceedings on those matters can be dealt within a very short period of time. The Government chose to call this Parliament together -

Mr Nixon:

– At great expense.

Mr SNEDDEN:

-As I am reminded by my colleague the honourable member for Gippsland, it was at great expense. Let us not overlook that there is great expense in calling the Parliament together. But the fact is that today, 23 August, the Parliament is assembled in the form of the House of Representatives and while this House is assembled, with all its members here, if there is no discussion of the major matter occupying the attention of every man, woman and teenager in Australia, it will be an abandonment and an abdication of the true role of the House of Representatives. There must be a debate on these major issues. The Government should not think that it can assemble the House and then use the march of numbers to prevent question time- an action more lacking in courage we have never seen in this House-or that the Prime Minister (Mr Whitlam), who has remained silent and refused to give any leadership because he does not know how to, can ask that all questions be put on the notice paper to try to save embarrassment. There has not been an occasion in the memory of this House when, the House having been assembled in the morning of the first day of an ordinary sitting, there has not been a question time. It has not happened before. That the Prime Minister should take action not to allow question time merely shows that he is determined that there will be no discussion of economic matters by the Parliament.

So that those who take an interest in the affairs of the Parliament may know what is happening, let me say that under the Standing Orders there is provision for a matter of public importance to be raised. The way in which a matter of public importance is raised is for the person wishing to raise it to write to the Speaker. Under the Standing Orders there is provision, after the Speaker reports to the House that a matter of public importance has been raised, for the matter then to be debated for up to 2 hours. On every occasion on which this House sits there is the opportunity for a matter of public importance to be raised. The reason for that provision in the Standing Orders is that the people who put together the Standing Orders and the people who have lived in this Parliament over the years have always recognised that if this Parliament is to represent the people the matters that are concerning the people should be debated. The matters that are concerning the people today are unemployment, industrial disputes and strikes and the lack of confidence in the community, and those were the very things which were contained in my letter to the Speaker raising a matter of public importance.

The Parliament having been assembled, one would have expected that the matter of public importance would have been debated. One would have expected that the Government would have said: ‘Yes, we will answer. We will say what we think about those things’. Instead of that, members of the Government Party take a coward’s retreat and use their numbers to prevent the discussion of the matter of public importance. The Leader of the House (Mr Daly), who is sitting at the table, probably intends to threaten us once again by saying that if we have the temerity to move for the suspension of Standing Orders in order to debate these great national issues, these things that threaten the living standard of the Australian people, he will by the march of his numbers take action against us. If the Opposition in the Senate, where the numbers are different, then says: ‘There will be debate in the national Parliament, in one of the Houses’, members of the Government Party and a number of misunderstanding commentators and members of the media will say that we are obstructing. We are not obstructing. We are determined that these matters will be ventilated. If we did not do that we would be abandoning our responsibility to the Australian people, and we will not abandon our responsibility to the Australian people. We are determined that these matters should be debated.

What are the facts that we find? The Treasurer of this country (Mr Crean) is a broken man. He is as broken as the Minister for Defence (Mr Barnard). ‘It is impossible ‘, says a member of the Labor Party.

Mr Daly:

– I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. I respectfully suggest that the Leader of the Opposition is getting a little wide of debating the question why the Standing Orders should be suspended. He is going into detail.

Mr SPEAKER:

-Order! The Chair has always been very flexible in these matters, but I ask the right honourable gentleman to keep to the motion and why the Standing Orders should be suspended.

Mr SNEDDEN:

-One reason why we should have a debate on this matter is that the Treasurer is a broken man. We have not heard anything from him as to economic direction. All we have heard is that the Treasury is to be the scapegoat for the dereliction and failure of the Labor Party in Government. Meanwhile, the Treasurer says not a single word in order to state his views or to defend the Treasury. The Treasury may have its faults, but it is not to blame for what has happened. What an extraordinary performance we have had from the Deputy Prime Minister (Dr J. F. Cairns). He is the only person in the Government who is speaking on matters economic. But this is his track form: A month ago he was saying that we would face 350,000 unemployed. He was disbelieved then. A week ago he said that there was no need to trade off unemployment in order to contain inflation. He was applauded for that. A week later he says that there will be 150,000 to 200,000 unemployed and that the system is to blame. The system in Australia is the democratic process, the Parliamentary process, and if that is to blame we need a debate about it here. The system is the institutions in this country and the major institution in Australia is the democratically elected Parliament.

If the democratically elected Parliament comes together it should not be deprived of the opportunity of exposing what has happened and what has not happened. When the Parliament comes together it should be allowed to expose the lack of confidence in the community resulting from the conflicting statements which Ministers make. We have had statements made by the Deputy Prime Minister which conflict with other statements he has made at other times. We have had the Treasurer (Mr Crean) and the Minister for Labor and Immigration (Mr Clyde Cameron) making statements in total disagreement. The Prime Minister (Mr Whitlam) declines to say anything at all. He is unwilling to submit himself to questioning by this Parliament, by the media or by his own side. Honourable members opposite could also have asked questions at question time. The Prime Minister has said that what he will do is to take refuge in a television studio and there, in the silence of the studio, surrounded only by his own people he will have the capacity to say something, edit it, do it again and rehearse it so that out will come something which he reckons will represent his views. Is that the way in which this country is to be run? How can people have confidence in that, when we are not being given the opportunity in this place to question and to probe? There has been a total abdication -

Mr SPEAKER:

-Order! The right honourable member’s time has expired. Is the motion seconded?

Mr ANTHONY:
Leader of the Australian Country Party · Richmond

– I second the motion that there should be a suspension of Standing Orders to allow a full and complete debate on the economy and industrial affairs. The Opposition is making a sham of this Parliament.

Government supporters- Hear! Hear!

Mr ANTHONY:

– I mean the Government is making a sham of the Parliament. But the way Government supporters are going on it will not be long before they are in opposition. They are falling into complete disarray. We even wonder sometimes who is going to be the Prime Minister from day to day. This Government is making a sham of Parliament. It called us back at great expense to amend 2 Bills which represent a compromise arrangement between the Opposition and the Government. A week ago the Government was saying that the Senate was acting as an obstructionist House and was frustrating the Government. Yet the Government is now accepting the amendments moved in the Senate because it is not prepared to face up to the Australian people with the tactics it was pursuing to have more and more central power in Canberra.

We are all gathered in this Parliament today but the Opposition is given no right to express its points of view. Question time has been dispensed with- a very rare performance in this House. The Opposition has asked for a debate on the economy and industrial affairs when the country is gripped in one of the worst economic and industrial crises ever. The nation is clamouring for leadership. The people want some indication from the Prime Minister (Mr Whitlam) as to what the policies of the Government are, but they are hearing nothing. All they see is the Prime Minister acting like the titular head of the nation while the Deputy Prime Minister (Dr J. F. Cairns) goes ahead and makes more and more statements each day. Obviously he is the man with all the executive power while the Prime Minister is nothing more than a constitutional mark. He does not give the leadership which this country desperately needs at the moment. Yet we hear and read in the newspapers of growing concern and unrest, meetings being organised and fear in the hearts of people, and we wonder just where the whole situation is going to end. Inflation is running rampant, there is a shortage of goods, petrol is unavailable.

Surely this is a time when this House ought to be given the opportunity to have a full and comprehensive debate on these matters instead of members being stifled the way they are. The 2 Bills that the House has been brought together to consider can be handled in a matter of minutes. Why not allow the Prime Minister to make his nationwide address here in this Parliament instead of on television next week? Is he frightened of criticism? Is he frightened of counter points of view being put forward? There are counter points of view. Everybody is concerned about the statements which are emanating from the President of the Australian Council of Trade Unions and the Deputy Prime Minister. The Deputy Prime Minister talks about the system as the cause of the Government’s trouble. Of course, last week the Senate caused the trouble, and a few weeks before that it was foreign capital and multinational corporations. Now it is being said that the system should be changed; that we ought to have a socialist system. Apparently the only way to control inflation is to put the whole economy into a straitjacket.

Mr SPEAKER:

-Order! I think the right honourable gentleman is getting a little wide of the mark.

Mr ANTHONY:

– These are the reasons why we believe there ought to be a full debate. Let the Treasurer (Mr Crean) get up and put his point of view. He is not game or he is frightened that his Department will be further discredited by members of his own Government. It is a shocking state of affairs when the Treasury is being denigrated and downgraded publicly and being used as a scapegoat, as the Leader of the Opposition said, for the inadequacy and incompetence of this Government in its management of the economy. The economy is in the worst mess we have seen it in. We just do not know where this Government will finish up in its handling of the economy. A Budget will be presented in a few weeks time, but surely today would have been a wonderful time, by way of preamble to the Budget, to have a debate about how the people are feeling and for the Opposition at least to express what I believe is the majority view of the Australian people, who have just about completely lost confidence in this Government and its handling of economic and industrial matters.

Mr DALY:
Minister for Services and Property and Leader of the House · Grayndler · ALP

– This motion arises out of the failure of the Government to allow the Leader of the Opposition (Mr Snedden) to embark on a propaganda campaign earlier in the day. The matter of public importance on which debate was disallowed had all the contents of a censure motion against the Government, but it is significant that the Leader of the Opposition was not prepared to move a censure motion. I will tell the House why.

Mr Snedden:

- Mr Speaker, if the Government will give us time we will move the censure motion now.

Mr SPEAKER:
Mr Snedden:

- Mr Speaker -

Mr SPEAKER:

-Order! The right honourable gentleman will resume his seat. I have warned the right honourable gentleman that he cannot just get up and burst into a speech. He must get the call from the Chair.

Mr Peacock:

– It shows how ready he is for the censure motion anyhow.

Mr SPEAKER:

-Order! The honourable member for Kooyong will remain quiet while I am addressing the chamber. The fact is that the right honourable gentleman got up without getting the call. He must ask for the call from the Chair.

Mr Snedden:

- Mr Speaker, I ask for the call.

Mr SPEAKER:

-You did not ask for the call at all; you got up and made a speech. If the right honourable gentleman wishes to get the call he must say that he is rising on a point of order or that he is seeking leave to make a statement. If he is rising on a point of order it must relate to the procedures and general practices of the House or to the Standing Orders themselves.

Mr Snedden:

– As a point of order, I respond to the specific point made by the Leader of the House. I give notice that I will move that the Government be censured for its abandonment of the parliamentary system.

Mr SPEAKER:

-Order! There is no point of order involved. If the right honourable gentleman has been misrepresented I will give him the opportunity to make a personal explanation as soon as the Minister finishes his contribution.

Mr DALY:

– I advise the right honourable member that 4 days ago members were told that a meeting of the House of Representatives would take place today, but only 47 Opposition members could stagger in here today. Others are not in their electorates; they are rambling around the world all over the place.

Mr DONALD CAMERON:
GRIFFITH, QUEENSLAND · LP

– You are a liar. Some of them are in hospital.

Mr SPEAKER:

-Order! The Minister will resume his seat. I warned the honourable member for Griffith not so long ago. I have just about had him. I have given him a lot of latitude. I ask him to withdraw and apologise for his outburst.

Mr DONALD CAMERON:
GRIFFITH, QUEENSLAND · LP

- Mr Speaker, in compliance with your request and out of respect to you as a person -

Mr SPEAKER:

-Order! There will be no qualifications. I am asking the honourable member to withdraw and apologise.

Mr DONALD CAMERON:
GRIFFITH, QUEENSLAND · LP

– I withdraw, but there are men in hospital, not wandering around the world, as the honourable member for Grayndler said.

Mr SPEAKER:

-Order! I give the honourable gentleman his last chance to make an unqualified withdrawal.

Mr DONALD CAMERON:
GRIFFITH, QUEENSLAND · LP

– I withdraw- I said that.

Mr DALY:

-The Labor Party had to give the Opposition 10 pairs today. For the division this morning eight of our members had to leave the House because of the absence of members of the Opposition who are condemning this Government but are not prepared to come here and debate the great issues.

Mr Katter:

– I rise to order. The Leader of the House is giving an entirely wrong impression. Many of our members are ill in hospital.

Mr SPEAKER:

-Order! No point of order is involved.

Mr DALY:

– Until I goaded the Leader of the Opposition, he wanted to introduce an urgency motion on which he knew there would be no division and therefore the insignificent numbers of members who followed him from the Gulf of Carpentaria to Canberra to gobble up members of the Government would not be revealed. We have given 8 live pairs to the Opposition. Two or three members of the Opposition are ill, as has been said, and several are overseas. But in the division this morning the Opposition could muster only 47 votes. Yet it claims its members are the ones who care about the economy. They know as well as I do that their motion is phony. The Leader of the Opposition now has a deathbed confession. He is writing out a motion to censure the Government. I goaded him into it. The full 47 Opposition members will stagger into this place and will show the motley collection of people who say they ought to be governing the country.

Some members of the Opposition are not prepared to come to the Parliament. It costs money to get them here. The Leader of the Opposition, as I said, flew in from the alligator country, alerted all and sundry and told the Press and the radio people. But when he got here he found he had only 47 members behind him and he was not prepared to move a censure motion which he says he is now going to do. He will have a chance to do so in the Budget session. He will tell the House that he is now going to move a censure motion. Even at this stage I have to write out the ideas for him. He is a real bright leader. He is now scribbling out a dreadful motion to condemn the Government. We will shortly see whether the Opposition is able to muster up 48 in a crisis.

Some members of the Opposition are not in their electorates. Some of them could not be bothered to come back here to debate the great issues that the Leader of the Opposition mentioned. They had 4 days to get here. One chap is not here because he could not come by air. He could have walked from his electorate to this place in 4 days, but he could not be bothered coming along. It is of no use for Opposition members to say they do not know why this motion is being put on. In another place those obstructionist old gentlemen on the opposite side of the chamber have stopped Bills being passed.

Mr Killen:

– I rise to order. I ask you, Mr Speaker, to rule whether a member of this House is entitled to reflect in that fashion upon the members of another chamber.

Mr SPEAKER:

-The Standing Orders are quite clear. It is quite correct, as the honourable member for Moreton has said, that it is not within the province of members of either House to reflect on members of either place.

Mr Nixon:

– I take a point of order. The reason we have come back here is to debate the amendments to 2 Bills which are to be accepted by the Government and not because we are being obstructionists in the Senate.

Mr SPEAKER:

-Order! I call the Leader of the House.

Mr DALY:

– It is a most important matter for which this House has been called together today. It deals with trade practices, national roads and roads grants. The Bills affect the lives and welfare of countless millions of Australians. In addition they deal with many practices that were mentioned today concerning inflation and all that goes with it. It is vital that this Parliament discuss them. In another place that obstructionist Opposition which has thrown overboard every semblance of decency and democracy is forcing the Australian people to suffer unless we put this legislation through today. Even Senator Steele Hall- the only Liberal in the Senate- said that it is ‘bloody minded obstruction’. He said in the Senate that the Opposition is endeavouring to make it unworkable and whatever might be wrong with the economy today he put it at the doorsteps of those who support the Opposition in another place and members of the Opposition know the reason for this. As Senator Steele Hall said: ‘Australia would not function if the Senate Opposition had its way’. That is why there is trouble in the economy today. He went on to say: ‘This blind antagonism to anything that is government will never be the basis for a new lease of life for liberalism. ‘ He went on to criticise the Opposition in regard to its activities in the Senate.

Yet today we have called this Parliament together to discuss legislation dealing with contracts, arrangements and understandings in restraint of trade, monopolisation, exclusive dealings, resale price maintenance and all these kinds of things. The Leader of the Opposition, who has fallen for his own propaganda, wants to grandstand on issues which he knows have nothing to do with the debates today. We gave him his opportunity to move his censure motion. We gave him his opportunity to do all these things.

His proposition is a phoney one because many of his members have not turned up for the sitting.

The Labor Party has won 2 successive elections. The people have endorsed our policies. The ALP has been resisted on every occasion by those who sit opposite and by the obstructionist people in the other place. I can understand the rumblings of discontent from the other side of the Parliament. Honourable members opposite have never accepted that they are not the government. They are a government in exile and will be for a long long time to come. They have never accepted that fact. They are trying to run the Government from another place and from that side of the chamber. They would not get a new idea if the Labor Party did not have regular elections so that they could pick up some of the ideas which we put forward. I have got the Leader of the Opposition writing out a censure motion of the Government because he could not think of it himself.

Everybody knows that the Opposition is a complete rabble, is worn out and is disunited. In another place it is comprised of a lot of doddering old supporters who are holding up democracy and progress. In this place, as I look at some of the temporary occupants of seats opposite, I think it would be a good idea to have an election, whenever it might be held, in order that they might disappear into the limbo of the forgotten. Let the public never forget that on this day, when it is vital that Australia have certain legislation passed, only 47 members of the Opposition were prepared to come to Canberra to debate it. One or two are ill, but a lot of them who could have been here could not be bothered coming back from their world trips or jaunts or wherever they might be. That proves how phoney the proposition and everything associated with it are.

Mr SPEAKER:

– The time for debate has expired. The question is:

That the motion be agreed to.

The House divided. (Mr Speaker- Hon. J. F. Cope)

AYES: 48

NOES: 54

Majority……. 6

AYES

NOES

Question so resolved in the negative.

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NOTICE OF MOTION

Mr Snedden- Mr Speaker -

Mr SPEAKER:

-Order! Does the right honourable gentleman wish to make a personal explanation?

Mr Snedden:

– No, Mr Speaker. I would like the call. I have given a notice of motion to the Clerk. I would appreciate it if that notice of motion could be reported to the House. I indicate to you, Mr Speaker, that I will be seeking the suspension of Standing Orders to allow the motion of which notice has been given to come on for debate immediately.

page 1128

PERSONAL EXPLANATION

Mr ARMITAGE:
Chifley

-Mr Speaker, I seek the indulgence of the Chair to make a personal explanation.

Opposition members- No.

Mr SPEAKER:

– I call the honourable member for Chifley

Mr ARMITAGE:

- Mr Speaker -

Mr Nixon:

– He has no right to speak.

Mr SPEAKER:

-Order! The honourable member for Gippsland will cease interjecting.

Mr Nixon:

– I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. Under what standing order does the honourable member have the right to speak? He has not been misrepresented.

Mr SPEAKER:

-The honourable member for Gippsland should know that if a person seeks the indulgence of the Chair to speak and it is granted everything is in order.

Mr Nixon:

– I hope that you will follow that practice with honourable members on this side, Mr Speaker.

Mr SPEAKER:

– I think that that was a most uncalled for remark and I ask the honourable member for Gippsland to withdraw it.

Mr Nixon:

– I withdraw the reflection on the Chair, Mr Speaker.

Mr SPEAKER:

– If the honourable gentleman wants to check up on this I suggest that he should read standing order 64 and acquaint himself with it.

Mr Nixon:

– Thank you.

Mr ARMITAGE:

– I have sought the indulgence of the House and, in particular, of yourself, Mr Speaker, in order that there may be no misrepresentation as to the intent of my vote in the last division. When the division bells commenced to ring I was engaged in an important telephone conversation. I came into the chamber, bringing with me some work which I wanted to read over as it is work which is very vital to my constituents. Unfortunately I naturally sat in my normal seat after I had walked into the chamber. I did so without realising that the Government forces were voting no on this issue. I wish honourable members to keep in mind that I could not hear the debate and that I was speaking on the telephone when the division was called. Also, when I came into the House I was reading correspondence which vitally affects my constituents. I wish to make it clear that it was and always has been my intention to vote with the Australian Labor Party, the Government of Australia.

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MOTION OF CENSURE

Suspension of Standing Orders

The Clerk:

– Notice has been received from the Leader of the Opposition that on the next day of sitting he will move:

That the Government be censured for its avoidance of the processes of debate in the House of Representatives when the country is alarmed about unemployment, industrial strikes and the vacuum in leadership, and properly expects that these issues be debated.

Mr SNEDDEN:
Leader of the Opposition · Bruce

– I move:

I move this motion because it is quite clear that the Government has taken a conscious decision that it will, in no circumstances, allow the major issues of the day to be debated in this Parliament. The Leader of the House (Mr Daly) chided me for not moving a motion of censure of the Government. What he did not know was that it was my intention progressively to expose the decision of the Government not to allow debate and that when we reached the stage which we now have reached I would move that the Government be censured for its cowardice in being unwilling to debate matters and for its gross dereliction of duty by not allowing the issues which concern the public to come up for debate. This combination of cowardice in the face of fire and the Government’s dereliction of duty in not taking action to protect the Australian people is the reason why the Government should be censured. That was the next step in the procedure.

Let me just recount what the procedures have been today. We assembled here at 10.30 a.m. According to Standing Orders the first item on the agenda should have been questions without notice. Mr Speaker, you called for questions without notice but, before a single question could be put, the Prime Minister (Mr Whitlam) in accordance with what he can do under Standing Orders- what he would normally do threequarters of an hour after the House sits- asked that all questions be put on the notice paper. I ask the Whips, please, to have their conversation behind the Chair.

Under the Standing Orders, the way in which the business of the House proceeds after questions is for the Prime Minister to ask- not to move- that further questions be put on the notice paper. By convention that is done three-quarters of an hour after the House assembles. Today, before a single question was asked, the Prime Minister took that escape. It was a cowardly act. He wants to avoid answering questions about the differences of opinion between Ministers in his Cabinet. He wants to avoid trying to reconcile their differences. Most importantly, the Prime Minister wants to avoid being put in a position where his answers can be taken to be putting him either on the side of the Treasurer (Mr Crean) or on the side of the Deputy Prime Minister, the Minister for Overseas Trade (Dr J. F. Cairns). He wishes to avoid being seen to be holding the view which he does hold, if in fact he does hold a view. Nobody knows whether the Prime Minister has a view. For reasons that are apparent, I decided that the best course of action was to take advantage of the Standing Orders which provide that a matter of public importance can be called on for debate. The intention to raise a matter of public importance is notified by letter to you, Mr Speaker, and under the Standing Orders the debate on the matter can proceed for 2 hours. The practice of this House, since I was Leader of the House and made the arrangement with the then Opposition, has been that in each sitting week 2 hours will be allowed for the discussion of matters of public importance. That arrangement has subsisted since I was Leader of the House some years ago and has worked very well. There was a reasonable expectation therefore, having regard to the Standing Orders, that today we would have a 2-hour debate on the matter of public importance which I raised and which asked the Parliament to discuss the vacuum in leadership, unemployment and the lack of confidence in the community.

Despite the normal practice that has existed in this Parliament over a period of time, the Leader of the House immediately stood up and moved that Government business be called on, and therefore stifled any consideration whatever of the matter of public importance which I raised. Of course, the Opposition voted against that proposal. But the march of numbers defeated us. The Opposition has been denied question time. It has been denied the opportunity to debate the lack of confidence in the community and unemployment which ranges in estimates by the Minister for Labor and Immigration (Mr Clyde Cameron) and the Deputy Prime Minister from 150,000 to 200,000 people. People will be out of work; there will be social dislocation; and personal harm will be suffered by those unemployed people and their families. But we are not allowed to debate this matter or to ask the Government what it proposes to do to prevent this from happening. Are we to be asked to join those lemmings and walk over the cliff? Are the 150,000 to 200,000 people just to be abandoned? The Prime Minister, who is now in the House, is putting suggestions to the Leader of the House. Why does he not stand up like a man and state in debate -

Mr Lynch:

– He hasn’t got the guts.

Mr SNEDDEN:

– . . . what his views are, instead of having his dummy record them?

Mr SPEAKER:

– Order! A moment ago a point of order was taken in regard to reflections made on members of another House. What I said in that respect also applies to members of this House. I warn the Deputy Leader of the Opposition.

Mr SNEDDEN:

-We therefore proceeded in a proper manner. As I have said, we were denied the opportunity to ask questions and the opportunity to raise a matter of public importance. Then I moved for the suspension of Standing Orders so that this House, having been assembled, would not adjourn until there had been a full debate on economic issues, unemployment, the vacuum in leadership and so on. We voted against the Government’s proposal that we proceed with the business of the House. In other words, we voted for the suspension of Standing Orders. But again the march of numbers defeated us. So we have now arrived at the stage at which I have moved a censure motion on the Government. Under the Standing Orders debate on the motion must be set down for the next sitting which will be Budget day, presumably, unless there is another panic call for a sitting of the House. My notice of motion is as follows:

I give notice that at the next sitting I will move: That the Government be censured for its avoidance of the processes of debate in the House of Representatives when the country is alarmed about unemployment, industrial strikes and the vacuum in leadership and properly expects that these issues be debated.

We have taken the next step of moving for the suspension of Standing Orders to allow that debate to proceed immediately. We have to win the vote on the suspension of Standing Orders if we are to debate this matter. Of course, we know that we cannot win the vote because the march of numbers will apply against us. The way by which the debate can proceed is for the Government to agree to the suspension of Standing Orders.

It is a long-standing principle of this Parliament that when a censure motion is moved the House proceeds with that matter immediately. The Standing Orders provide that any Minister can announce that the Government accepts the censure motion and it will then take precedence over everything else until it is disposed of. The Government, through the Leader of the House when he was speaking, invited the Opposition to move a censure motion. He did it because he wanted to chide the Opposition, but the fact is that he made that invitation without knowing that I was going right through the process to develop this point. Now let us have the debate on the censure motion, or does the Government lack the courage to do so?

The Leader of the House said that the Opposition does not have the numbers here. I think that 10 members of the Opposition are not here. The reason for that is that this sitting, called to debate the Trade Practices Bill and the Roads Grants Bill, need not occur today. There was no need for it at all. It would not have held up government in the slightest way. It will take some time for the trade practices legislation to come into operation. The fact that the Bill was not passed today would not make one iota of difference because the Government could have proceeded with the setting up of the arrangements anyway. It will still be necessary for the Roads Grants Bill to wait until the Senate approves amendments which the Government intends to move in this House. So it occasions the Government nothing to have this sitting.

I was unwilling to call back people who had gone overseas. They had waited until the adjournment of the House to go overseas and do their business while the House was not sitting. Some honourable members went into hospital to have operations while the House was not sitting, and I did not intend to get them out of hospital for this purpose. But the Government must have known that something was likely to happen because it kept its members back from overseas and out of hospital. Furthermore, it advised its members to come here on Wednesday because the Government expected a strike on Thursday. What did the Government do?

Mr SPEAKER:

-Order! The right honourable gentleman’s time has expired. Is the motion seconded?

Mr ANTHONY:
Leader of the Australian Country Party · Richmond

– I second the motion.

Mr Riordan:

– Little Boy Blue!

Mr ANTHONY:

– Yes, you are pretty blue and you will be bluer by the time we finish with you. It should not have been necessary to move this motion but the Leader of the House (Mr Daly), in his usual smart alec way, challenged the Opposition to move a censure motion. The Opposition did not want unduly to take up the time of the House today. It wanted to debate a matter of public importance, so that the matter could be debated publicly and so that the Parliament could be used as a safety-valve for free expression in this country. But the Opposition was criticised for even wanting to do that. Apparently it was supposed to move a censure motion. I can well imagine that the Government would feel that a censure motion might be moved against it because it is in such a mess and in such disarray, because there is such a vacuum of leadership and because there is such industrial chaos in the country, but the Opposition felt that this was not the appropriate time for a censure motion. However, as the Leader of the House wants to force the issue, we believe we ought to have a debate and we are prepared to have a debate. In a minute when the Leader of the House goes on with his normal tirade about taking up the time of this Parliament, let him not accuse the Opposition, because he is responsible for this motion to suspend Standing Orders.

What chaos the country is in! We see unemployement rising at the rate of about 4,000 a week. Even Ministers are predicting that the number is likely to rise to 200,000 or 250,000 by early next year. Unemployment is growing in country areas. Indeed, it is much worse there than in the capital cities. But of course this Government never shows any sympathy to those people outside the metropolitan areas. Forty per cent of the population exists outside the capital cities and at the moment 52 per cent of the unemployed are in those areas. Only 26 per cent of the vacancies are in country areas. In other words the ratio of people applying for jobs to the number of vacancies is about 4 to 1. This situation is deteriorating rapidly as economic circumstances in rural industries- primary, mining and secondaryget very much worse.

Mr SPEAKER:

– I remind the right honourable gentleman that the motion is that the Standing Orders be suspended.

Mr ANTHONY:

-Yes, Mr Speaker. I am pointing out the deteriorating situation in regard to the economy, the industrial situation and the vacuum of leadership. There is a vacuum of leadership. One would almost think that the Prime Minister was in exile at the moment. It is difficult to find him giving any point of view.

It is quite obvious that the Left has taken over this Government. Two very alarming statements have been made in the last 24 hours by the President of the Australian Council of Trade Unions and the Deputy Prime Minister (Dr J. F. Cairns). They have said that the present system needs changing. Apparently one system they wish to change is the free expression of this Parliament by the use of its full debating facilities. They want to change the capitalist system, attack private enterprise and to replace it with socialism, with Government control and Government involvement. They are on the march. They are ruthless and determined. They are going to crawl right over the top of the Prime Minister to achieve their aspirations. If it drives the Prime Minister mad, well and good. He could resign if he wants; they do not care. We had the ludicrous situation today of a public announcement in the Press that the Prime Minister has no intention of resigning, yet.

Mr Hunt:

– Yet.

Mr ANTHONY:

– Yes. Next week it might be a different picture. The situation is serious. We are prepared to censure the Government. We want to have this censure motion debated immediately. I know of no time in my political career when the situation has been more dangerous or more critical than it is at the moment. One would expect a responsible government to have the courage to allow such a debate to take place.

Mr DALY:
Leader of the House · Grayndler · ALP

– In my view both the Leader of the Opposition (Mr Snedden) and the Leader of the Australian Country Party (Mr Anthony) ought to be members of Actors Equity. We have heard the same old record, the same old arguments and the same old tactics. The leader of the Opposition and the Leader of the Country Party came to this Parliament this morning and put forward a motion which had all the semblance of a censure motion. But it was framed as an urgency motion on which there would not have been a vote, no doubt. They even sought an agreement on how many speakers there would be. The reason for that is that 14 members of the Opposition, including 4 shadow Ministers, are away.

Members of the Opposition never had a thought about a censure motion until they were goaded into it earlier by me. Even then you cannot please the Leader of the Opposition. He gave notice that he would move this motion on the next day of sitting. He now says that he wants to move it today. Why does he not make up his mind? Did he want to move the motion today? Why could he not follow Standing Orders? He is trying to make the best of a bad job. As he always does, he fumbled the opportunity earlier in the day. He now comes forward with this second rate proposition seeking to air, he says, all the things that are wrong in the community. If we debated the Bills, which he said would go through in a few minutes, we would find that they have far reaching effects on the matters he has mentioned. The Bills are of tremendous importance.

Why should we take the Opposition seriously when 14 of its members will not come to Canberra to fulfil their responsibilities? They are rambling around the world, in Asia and in other places, and will not front up. Why should we put up with a censure motion today when members opposite would be shown up as not having the numbers? Why, we even loaned them one of our members a while ago and they were still a mile behind. What a joke Opposition members make of a censure motion. They know they do not have the numbers here and they do not care what is happening. They are more inclined to go holidaying than anything else. It costs money to get this Parliament together, but it was called together today because the trade practices and roads legislation have far reaching effects. The Country Party growls about our bringing its members back here in order to debate roads legislation which allocates countless millions of dollars for people throughout the country areas and other districts.

The Leader of the Opposition fumbled his chance earlier. As I said he would not get a bright idea unless we told him one now and again. He is staving off discussion on the Bills we are to have before us today. The Opposition in another place has altered the Trade Practices legislation in such a way as to deny the people the benefits of it. But the Government in the Senate obtained an absolute majority in the vote on that legislation. There were so many loopholes in the previous legislation that the Leader of the Opposition knew that those whom we sought to bring within the confines of our legislation would escape if it were not passed. He is making this last ditch stand under the guise of great national issues to stave off imminent defeat like the defeat he suffered at the Joint Sitting of the Parliament a few days ago. The Leader of the Opposition believes his own propaganda. When you start to believe what you write yourself, you are nearly around the bend. He thinks that all the things he is saying are right. He never wanted the Trade Practices legislation and he resents the fact that the Senate has passed it. He is trying to delay it in every way possible. He will try to keep up these tactics all day because he does not want to debate the issues contained in the Bills that have been returned to the House of Representatives. The Government will make him debate the Bills today. If four of his shadow Ministers will not return to Canberra for this parliamentary sitting, why should we worry? When he was making his speech on this motion, his Whip was talking to a colleague. The Leader of the Opposition had to tell his Whip to sit down and listen to his words of wisdom. If his own Whip will not listen to him, why should anybody else?

We are told that it is a long standing principle that a motion of censure should always be debated immediately. We did not want to disappoint the Leader of the Opposition. He wanted to have it debated on the next day of sitting. Why should we disappoint him? But I point out that that is not always the practice. The Government lays down when these motions will be dealt with. This motion will be dealt with at the time at which the Leader of the Opposition gave notice for it to be brought on, that is, the next day of sitting. We are not going to let him stave off the debate today and his moment of decision and destiny, when he sees the legislation that he does not want passed- the Trade Practices legislationpassed through this Parliament. We will bring him to book today. No matter what tactics he employs today, he will not put off the Government in bringing forward the debate on these Bills.

I suppose nothing has a more far-reaching effect on the community than the issues we are bringing forward today. They relate to the protection of all consumers in the country and cover things such as advertising, manufacturing processes, the quality and quantity of goods and in a dozen and one ways will give protection to the people of this country- protection so sadly denied because of the obstruction in another place. Let me ask members of the Australian Country Party: Do you not want to discuss national highways today? Do you not want to discuss the expenditure of $ 1 , 1 26m over the next 3 years? Do you not want to make provision for financial assistance for the States for road construction and maintenance, transport planning and research? I ask them to stand up and be counted. Do they not think that such matters are important? I point out to honourable members that in another place members of the Opposition stopped the passage of this legislation. Do members of the Country Party not want to construct rural arterial roads, developmental roads, rural local roads, urban arterial roads and beef roads? Do members of the Country Party not think that they are important? Why should the

Government put off the debate on such important matters for a phoney proposition such as that moved by the Leader of the Opposition when he never thought of it today until we suggested that his motion contained all the ingredients for the moving of a motion of censure? He was not game to move such a motion today because of the lack of numbers on the Opposition side. It is no good the Leader of the Opposition telling us that he had a second idea. He never gets a first idea, let alone a second one. So it is never any good for him to say that he was going to move such a motion today. If he thinks he is going to do this all day, he is in for a terrible shock in that respect also.

I ask the Leader of the Australian Country Party: Do you not want to discuss legislation to improve road safety, legislation which benefits the city and country dwellers and which will pay particular attention to primary industry? We have seen the Leader of the Australian Country Party rising in the Parliament today trying to defer consideration of these matters and talking as if he is the protector of people in the country. No wonder a former Prime Minister said that he lost the election because of the Country Party. But I take a bit of the blame off the Leader of the Country Party because the Liberal Party could have lost the election on its own without him. The situation is that these matters will be discussed in the Parliament today. Do Opposition members mean to say that they do not want to discuss trade practices, the manipulation of prices and the exploitation of consumers? Do they mean to say that these things are not important at this very moment? Why should the Government fall for the trick that the Leader of the Opposition has put forward today?

I direct my remarks again to the Leader of the Opposition. As I say, he is up to his old stalling tricks again. His philosophy is: Put it off as long as you can; put it off even in the event of a Joint Sitting; put off legislation endorsed by the Australian people. When he knows that he is beaten, try to stall, to put things off and go to court and appeal against decisions. He was stalling right up to the last available minute in regard to the 6 Bills passed at the Joint Sitting recently. Today we have seen the same old tactics and the same old approach by the Leader of the Opposition. I repeat that if the Leader of the Opposition was going to move a censure motion, which everybody knows that he was not, do Opposition members mean to say that four of his shadow Ministers would have been away from the Parliament? They would not have been absent from the sitting of the Parliament if they took the position seriously. Also thirteen or fourteen of the Opposition members would have not been absent if that were the case. Mr Speaker, you know as well as I that the Leader of the Opposition never even thought of moving such a motion. He just wrote out a censure motion, was not game to move it, and thought he would back out because of the lack of numbers. I say that if it does come on today, of which I am extremely doubtful, all pairs are off and the public can see the lack of support the Leader of the Opposition has for any motion he puts up, with his members rambling around the world everywhere. The Leader of the Opposition is on an obstructive mission. Like his Senate colleagues, he likes to stop everything. That is precisely what he is doing and is going to do as long as he possibly can. We do not fall for that proposition, nor for the phoney arguments of the Country Party, the great defenders of the rural people. They do not want money for roads; millions of dollars they do not want. They want to hold it up for every possible moment. Those who sit opposite and cry about the poor people and exploitation and the economy, today do not want us to discuss trade practices; they just want to put up their phoney propositions of censure on the Government.

The worst feature of this is that the Opposition came here this morning and was not prepared to move a motion of censure of the Government. If that is the case, do honourable members opposite mean to say they are going to try to stop this being debated all day by the obstructionist tactics they are going on with? The situation is, and you well know it opposite, and so does the Leader of the Opposition, that you did not have the courage today to move a censure motion on this Government because you knew it is supported by only two-thirds of your members.

Mr Killen:

– Nonsense.

Mr DALY:

– The honourable member says nonsense. He is lucky to be talking to his Leader. They have met only since they came back and the Opposition met. So what would he know about what the Leader, of the Opposition is thinking? I suggest to the people of Australia today that this Parliament has been called together for one purpose, to discuss trade practices, national roads and all that goes with them. I suggest to members opposite, if they are fair dinkum in their approach to problems, that it is nearly time they got their members to attend. They have had plenty of notice. To come forward with phoney censure motions after this Government has had to intimidate you also into taking action, and then want to move it when you gave notice of it for another day, you really do not know where you are going at any stage. The situation therefore is that we object to this motion. We shall not support it and it will be opposed when the vote is taken.

Mr SPEAKER:

-The time allowed for the debate has expired.

Question put:

That the motion (Mr Sneddon’s) be agreed to.

The House divided. (Mr Speaker- Hon. J. F. Cope)

AYES: 47

NOES: 53

Majority……. 6

AYES

NOES

Question so resolved in the negative.

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TRADE PRACTICES BILL 1974

Mr ENDERBY:
Minister for Manufacturing Industry · Canberra · ALP

– I refer to the message received this morning from the Senate concerning the Trade Practices Bill. I move:

Mr Wentworth:

– I rise on a point of order, Mr Speaker. I draw your attention to standing order 1 10 which reads:

A motion of which notice has been given or an amendment which expresses a censure of or want of confidence in the Government and is accepted by a Minister as a censure or want of confidence motion or amendment shall, until it is disposed of by the House, take precedence of all other business.

A moment ago the Minister for Services and Property (Mr Daly) accepted the motion moved by the Leader of the Opposition (Mr Snedden) as a motion of censure. He so described it.

Mr SPEAKER:

-Order! The honourable gentleman will resume his seat. I am quite aware of what standing order 110 implies. The fact is that the motion was not accepted by a Minister. I am informed by the Clerk of the House that that is so. There is no point of order involved because the motion was not accepted by a Minister.

Debate interrupted.

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OBJECTION TO RULING

Mr WENTWORTH:
Mackellar

– I move:

I will put the motion in writing.

Mr Speaker, I have moved dissent from your ruling because it seems to me that standing order 1 10 is perfectly clear and specific. It states:

A motion of which notice has been given or an amendment which expresses a censure of or want of confidence in the Government and is accepted by a Minister as a censure or want of confidence motion or amendment shall, until it is disposed of by the House, take precedence of all other business.

I point out to the House that the phrase ‘A motion of which notice has been given’ has been satisfied. A motion was moved and notice of it was given by the Clerk at the Table. It was accepted by a Minister- I understand that the Minister for Services and Property (Mr Daly) is a Minister- and it was accepted as a censure or want of confidence motion. I heard him say at the table a moment ago -

Mr Scholes:

- Mr Speaker, I take a point of order. The matters being debated by the honourable member for Mackellar are of a hypothetical nature, not an actual nature, in that no such motion was moved. Only notice of a motion was given. Therefore no such motion is, or has been, before the House.

Mr SPEAKER:

-The matter before the Chair is a motion of dissent from my ruling. The ruling I gave was similar to the point of order that has been taken, but the subject before the Chair is a motion of dissent from my ruling. I call the honourable member for Mackellar.

Mr WENTWORTH:

-The honourable member for Corio (Mr Scholes) probably has not been in the House long enough to understand the Standing Orders, but for his benefit I shall read again what standing order 110 states. It says:

A motion of which notice has been given . . .

Notice has been given; it was given earlier this morning by the Clerk at the Table. I know that the honourable member for Corio is not terribly experienced in the Standing Orders, so he had better have another look at standing order 1 10 because it states:

A motion of which notice has been given . . .

The words are perfectly plain. The honourable member for Corio should refresh his memory by reading them. The motion has been accepted by a Minister. The honourable member for Grayndler (Mr Daly) in fact is a Minister.

Mr Kelly:

– You would not think so.

Mr WENTWORTH:

-You may not think so but he is a Minister, and at the table a moment ago he described this motion as a motion of censure. He did this on more than one occasion. Furthermore, he said that it had been moved by the Leader of the Opposition (Mr Snedden) in answer to his challenge to move a motion of censure. Therefore it has been accepted as a motion of censure. I want to refer to the reason for the wording of standing order 1 10. 1 think the reason is perfectly plain. The reason for the wording is that there may be moved a motion which is not formally a motion of censure and which is not a motion of censure in form but which nevertheless implies censure, and if a Minister accepts such a motion- shall we say a motion about turtles or something like that- as a motion of censure, it becomes a motion of censure. This has been the procedure in this House on many occasions in the past when, for example, governments have fallen when defeated in a motion for the adjournment of the House. They have accepted defeat on an adjournment motion as a motion of censure. If a Minister describes any motion as a motion of censure it becomes what in political terms is known as a hanging matter and if the Government is defeated on such a motion it is duty bound to resign.

Mr Killen:

– The Scullin Government is an example.

Mr WENTWORTH:

-My friend the honourable member for Moreton (Mr Killen) reminds me that the Scullin Government fell on a motion for the adjournment of the House. This is something which is quite common not only to our Parliament but to the House of Commons also. A Minister can accept any motion on any matter, however trivial, as a motion expressing censure and, if the Minister so accepts it, a government defeated on that motion is in honour bound, and I think constiutionally bound, to resign. But, if a motion expresses censure verbatim, as the motion that was before the House does, its recognition as such by a Minister in terms of standing order 1 10, obligates the House to dispose of it before it embarks on any other business. These words are perfectly plain. There is no doubt in my mind as to what they mean, why the standing order has been drafted in those terms and what it implies.

Mr SPEAKER:

-Order! I remind the honourable gentleman that I am aware of what standing order 1 10 implies. My ruling was that the motion was not accepted by a Minister. The honourable gentleman has to apply his motion of dissent to that ruling, and I ask him to do so.

Mr WENTWORTH:

– I am indebted to you, Mr Speaker, for focussing my mind on your ruling, but in order to make my argument clear I naturally am skirting around the periphery of what -

Mr SPEAKER:

-Order! The honourable gentleman has been skirting for some considerable time. I ask him to get past the hem of the argument.

Mr WENTWORTH:

– . . . with great prescience, you recognise as the main point of the whole thing. Did the Minister for Services and Property accept the motion as a motion of censure? The Minister described it as such. He used the words ‘motion of censure’. Furthermore, the motion was moved in answer to a challenge by the Minister to move a motion of censure. It was accepted and recognised as such verbatim by the Minister at the table. On more than one occasion, as Hansard will show, he described it as a motion of censure.

Mr Kelly:

– He will alter that.

Mr WENTWORTH:

-He tried to alter Hansard once. I do not think he will try it again, with all due respect to my friend. I think the Minister burned his fingers once when trying to falsify Hansard and he will not do it again.

Mr SPEAKER:

-I ask the honourable gentleman to keep to the motion before the Chair. The motion is one of dissent from my ruling that the Minister did not accept the censure motion.

Mr WENTWORTH:

– He not only accepted it but also accepted it verbatim by describing it as a censure motion. The text of Hansard will show that he so described it. But it is not necessary to go to the text of Hansard in this case because the motion of censure was moved in response to the challenge which the Minister issued at the table. He said: ‘Will you move a motion of censure? You do not dare to do so’; whereupon the Leader of the Opposition (Mr Snedden) did exactly that. The motion was moved in answer to a challenge. The challenge was accepted and the acceptance was recognised by the Minister, who described it as a motion of censure. As I have said- I have gone back into the history of this- it is possible for a Minister to accept a motion of censure and to describe as a censurable thing a mere trivality such as the adjournment of the House or a mere matter of procedure. If it does, then the motion becomes a motion of censure. But, when it is, verbatim, a motion of censure and when a Minister has recognised it as such, this kind of ambiguity does not arise. The conditions precedent in standing order 1 10 have all been satisfied. Notice has been given of intention to move a motion; it is a motion of censure verbatim; and it has been recognised as such by the Minister at the table. I do not think there is any need for me to labour the point.

Mr Hunt:

– What about the tapes? Do you think we ought to check what the Minister said?

Mr WENTWORTH:

-It has been suggested, although I think it is perhaps unnecessary, that we should check the tapes. I do not think that this is necessary. In the past Hansard has refused the Minister’s pressure to falsify the record, and I do not see why it should not do so again. I will trust Hansard. I think that the Minister has burned his fingers once and that he will not try it again, however dishonest he may or may not be. It appears to me to be unnecessary to check the Hansard tapes. The Minister has described it as a censure motion. Really, even this was not necessary because notice of the censure motion was given in answer to the Minister’s own invitation which was made at the table. The case is perfectly clear.

Mr SPEAKER:

-Is the motion seconded?

Mr STREET:
Corangamite

– I second the motion. This is a matter of great moment because of the state of the nation today.

Mr Enderby:

– What has this to do with dissent from a ruling?

Mr STREET:

– It relates to the consequences of the motion of dissent from a ruling. I draw the attention of the House to page 550 of the ‘Australian Senate Practice’, where a former Senate leader, Sir George Pearce, is reported to have expressed this view:

When a government is challenged on a motion of censure, if the motion is bona fide and not merely put forward for the purpose of wasting time, the government under challenge does not proceed with legislation or with major acts of administration. That is the time-honoured custom in all countries where British Parliamentary practice obtains.

Mr Enderby:

– What did he say about wasting time?

Mr STREET:

– I take up the Minister’s interjection. Apparently he considers that the Opposition’s efforts this morning to have a debate on the economy are a waste of time. The point is that we are talking now about the definition of acceptance’, as I understand it, and this is related directly to your ruling, Mr Speaker. Standing order 1 10 states quite clearly that once a Minister accepts a motion of censure it takes precedence. Many honourable members, including myself, were in the House when the Leader of the House (Mr Daly) clearly indicated his recognition of the notice of motion given by the Leader of the Opposition as a motion of censure. So, as I understand it, what we are debating now is whether recognition of a notice of motion of censure, which was clearly done by the Leader of the House, constitutes acceptance of the motion. In view of the importance of this special sitting of the House and the opportunity it provides to have a full debate on the economy, I ask you, Sir, to reconsider your interpretation- because that is what it amounts to- of whether recognition of a notice of motion, which I think everybody agrees has happened, is an acceptance of the motion.

Mr Daly:

– Why do you not debate the big issues? What are you stalling for?

Mr STREET:

– We want to debate the big issues. The great issue facing this country today is the state of the nation and the state of the economy. That is exactly what we want to debate. That is the whole purpose of the notice of motion which has been given by the Leader of the Opposition. All I am asking you, Sir, to do is to interpret the recognition of a notice of motion of censure as an acceptance of the motion and then, following the practices of this Parliament, to allow the debate to proceed.

Motion (by Mr Daly) put:

That the question be now put.

The House divided. (Mr Speaker- Hon. J. F. Cope)

AYES: 55

NOES: 47

Majority……. 8

In division:

AYES

NOES

Question so resolved in the affirmative.

No Member may use offensive words against either House of the Parliament or any Member thereof, . . .

Mr Speaker, you are not merely a member of this Parliament, you are its servant.

Question put:

That the ruling be dissented from.

The House divided. (Mr Speaker-Hon. J. F. Cope)

AYES: 47

NOES: 56

Majority……. 9

AYES

NOES

Question so resolved in the negative.

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Debate resumed.

Mr ENDERBY:
Minister for Manufacturing Industry · Canberra · ALP

- Mr Speaker, prior to the divisions I had been in the process of moving that the amendments requested by the Senate be taken into consideration in Committee of the whole House forthwith. I move:

Question resolved in the affirmative.

In Committee

Consideration of Senate’s amendments.

Clause 2.

  1. 1 ) Sections I and 2 shall come into operation on the day on which this Act receives the Royal Assent.
  2. Section 35 shall come into operation on a date to be fixed by Proclamation, being a date not earlier than the date on which the Paris Convention for the Protection of Industrial Property as revised at Stockholm on 14 July 1967 enters into force for Australia.
  3. The remaining provisions of this Act, other than subsections 45 ( 1 ) and (2) and 47 ( 1 ) and (2), shall come into operation on a date to be fixed by Proclamation.
  4. Sub-sections 45 (1) and (2) and 47 (1) and (2) shall come into operation at the expiration of four months after the date fixed under sub-section (3).

Clause 4.

  1. 1 ) In this Act, unless the contrary intention appears- ‘Companies Ordinance’ means the Companies Ordinance 1 962- 1 974 of the Australian Capital Territory or, if that Ordinance is amended, that Ordinance as amended;

Clause 7.

  1. 1 ) There is hereby established a Trade Practices Commission, which shall consist of a Chairman and such number of other members as are from time to time appointed in accordance with this Act.
  2. The members of the Commission shall be appointed by the Governor-General.
  3. A member of the Commission other than the Chairman may be appointed as a full-time member or as a pantime member.
  4. For the purposes of sub-sections 4 (3a) and (4) of the Superannuation Act 1922-1973 the Chairman and the full time members of the Commission shall each be deemed to be required, by the terms of his appointment, to give the whole of his time to the duties of his office.

Clause 17.

  1. 1 ) Where a member of the Commission other than the Chairman has or acquires any direct or indirect pecuniary interest in any business carried on in Australia, or in any body corporate carrying on any such business, being an interest that could be in conflict with his duties as a member, the member shall, to the best of his knowledge, disclose that interest to the Chairman.

Clause 29.

  1. The Attorney-General may give directions to the Commission in connexion with the performance of its functions or the exercise of its powers under this Act other than its functions and powers under Part vii, and the Commissioner shall comply with any directions so given.
  2. Any direction given to the Commissioner under subsection ( I ) shall be in writing and the Attorney-General shall cause a copy of the direction to be published in the Gazette as soon as practicable after the direction is given.

Clause 40.

When a member of the Tribunal, other than a presidential member, is informed by the President that the President proposes that the member shall be a member of a Division of the Tribunal in any proceedings, the member shall, to the best of his knowledge, disclose to the President any direct or indirect pecuniary interest that the member has in any business carried on in Australia, or in any body corporate carrying on any such business, being an interest that could be in conflict with his duties as a member of the Tribunal in those proceedings.

Clause 45.

  1. 1 ) A contract in restraint of trade or commerce that was made before the commencement of this sub-section is unenforceable in so far as it confers rights or benefits or imposes duties or obligations on a corporation.

  2. A corporation shall not-

    1. make a contract or arrangement, or enter into an understanding, in restraint of trade or commerce; or
    2. give effect to a contract, arrangement or understanding that is in restraint of trade or commerce, whether the contract or arrangement was made or the understanding was entered into before or after the commencement of this sub-section.
  3. A contract, arrangement or understanding is not in restraint of trade or commerce for the purposes of this Act if the restraint has such a slight effect on competition between the parties to the contract, arrangement or understanding and on competition between those parties, or any of them, and other persons as to be insignificant.

Clause 46.

  1. 1 ) A corporation that is in a position substantially to control a market for goods or services shall not take advantage of the power in relation to that market that it has by virtue of being in that position-

    1. to eliminate or substantially to damage a competitor in that market or in another market;
    2. to prevent the entry of a person into that market or into another market; or
    3. to deter or prevent a person from engaging in competitive behaviour in that market or in another market.
  2. For the purposes of this section, a corporation shall be deemed to be in a position substantially to control a market for goods or services if that corporation and any related corporation or related corporations are together in a position substantially to control that market.

  3. This section does not prevent a corporation from-

    1. engaging, during the period of 4 months immediately following the date fixed under sub-section 2 (3), in conduct that would constitute a contravention of subsection 45 ( 1 ) or (2) or 47 ( 1 ) if that sub-section had come into operation on that date; or
    2. engaging, after the expiration of that period, in conduct that does not constitute a contravention of any of the following sections, namely, section 45, 47 and 50, by reason that an authorisation is in force in respect of the conduct or by reason of the operation of section 92, 93 or 94.

Clause 47.

  1. 1 ) Subject to this section, a corporation shall not, in trade or commerce, engage in the practice of exclusive dealing.
  2. A corporation engages in the practice of exclusive dealing if the corporation-
  3. Sub-section ( 1 ) does not apply to the practice of exclusive dealing constituted by a corporation engaging in conduct of a kind referred to in sub-section (2) unless the engaging by the corporation in that conduct is likely to have the effect of substantially lessening competition in a market for goods or services.

Clause 49. (49.) (1) A corporation shall not, in trade or commerce, directly or indirectly discriminate between purchasers of goods of like grade and quality in relation to-

  1. the prices charged for the goods;
  2. any discounts, allowances, rebates or credits given in relation to the supply of the goods;
  3. the provision of services or facilities in respect of the goods; or
  4. the making of payments for services or facilities provided in respect of the goods, if the discrimination is of such magnitude or is of such a recurring or systematic character that it is likely to have the effect of substantially lessening competition in a market for goods, being a market in which the corporation supplies, or those persons supply, goods.

Clause 50.

  1. 1 ) A corporation shall not acquire, directly or indirectly, any shares in the capital, or any assets, of a body corporate where the acquisition is likely to have the effect of substantially lessening competition in a market for goods or services

Clause 76.

A person who-

  1. contravenes a provision of Part IV;
  2. b) attempts to contravene such a provision;
  3. aids, abets, counsels or procures a person to contravene such a provision;
  4. induces, or attempts to induce, a person whether by threats or promises or otherwise, to contravene such a provision;
  5. is in any way, directly or indirectly, knowingly concerned in, or party to, the contravention by a person of such a provision; or
  6. f) conspires with others to contravene such a provision, is, if the Court so orders, liable to pay to Australia such pecuniary penalty (not exceeding $50,000 in the case of a person not being a body corporate, or $250,000 in the case of a body corporate, in respect of each act or omission by the person to which this section applies) as the Court determines to be appropriate having regard to all relevant matters including the nature and extent of the act or omission and of any loss or damage suffered as a result of the act or omission, the circumstances in which the act or omission took place and whether the person has previously been found by the Superior Court of Australia or the Australian Industrial Court in proceedings under this Part to have engaged in any similar conduct.

Clause 77. 77 (1) The Attorney-General or the Commission may institute a proceeding in the Court by way of civil action for the recovery on behalf of Australia of a pecuniary penalty referred to in section 76.

  1. An action under sub-section (1) may be commenced at any time after the contravention.

Clause 85.

  1. 1 ) Subject to sub-section (2 ), in a prosecution under this Part in relation to a contravention of a provision of Pan V, it is a defence if the defendant establishes-

    1. that the contravention in respect of which the proceeding was instituted was due to a mistake, to reliance on information supplied by another person, to the act or default of another person, to an accident or to some other cause beyond his control; and
    2. that he took all reasonable precautions and exercised all due diligence to avoid the contravention.
  2. If a defence provided by sub-section ( 1 ) involves an allegation that a contravention was due to reliance on information supplied by another person or to the act or default of another person, the defendant is not, without leave of the Court, entitled to rely on that defence unless he has not later than 7 days before the day on which the hearing of the proceeding commences, served on the person by whom the proceeding was instituted a notice in writing giving such information that would identify or assist in the identification of the other person as was then in his possession.
  3. In the proceeding under this Part in relation to a contravention of a provision of Pan V committed by the publication of an advertisement, it is a defence if the defendant establishes that he is a person whose business it is to publish or arrange for the publication of advertisements and that he received the advertisement for publication in the ordinary course of business and did not know and had no reason to suspect that its publication would amount to a contravention of a provision of that Pan.

  4. In a proceeding under this Pan in relation to a contravention of Pan V committed by the supplying of goods that did not comply with a consumer product safety standard or in relation to which the supplier did not comply with a consumer product information standard, it is a defence if the defendant establishes-

    1. that the goods were acquired by him for the purpose of re-supply and were so acquired from a person who carried on in Australia a business of supplying such goods otherwise than as the agent of a person outside Australia; and
    2. that he did not know, and could not with reasonable diligence have ascertained, that the goods did not comply with that standard or that he had not complied with that standard in relation to the goods, as the case may be, or he relied in good faith on a representation by the person from whom he acquired the goods that a consumer product safety standard or a consumer product information standard, as the case may be, had not been prescribed in respect of the goods.
  5. A person is not, without leave of the Court, entitled to rely on the defence provided by sub-section (4) unless he has, not later than 7 days before the day on which the hearing of the proceeding commences, served on the person by whom the proceeding was instituted a notice in writing identifying the person from whom he acquired the goods.

Clause 90.

  1. Subject to sub-sections (9) and (II), the Commission shall not make a determination granting an authorisation unless it is satisfied that the contract, arrangement, understanding or conduct to which the application relates results, or is likely to result, in a specific and substantial benefit to the public, being a benefit that would not otherwise be available, and that, in all the circumstances, that result, or that likely result, as the case may be, justifies the granting of the authorisation,

Clause 92.

  1. Where a corporation so gives notice to the Commission, the Commission may at any time give notice in writing to the corporation stating that the Commission considers that any restraint of trade or commerce that results from the contract, arrangement or understanding or would result from the proposed contract, arrangement or understanding, has or would have such a slight effect on competition as to be insignificant, and, if the Commission gives such a notice, the contract, arrangement or understanding shall be deemed not to be in restraint of trade or commerce for the purposes of this Act.
  2. If, at any time after the Commission has given notice under sub-section (2) to a corporation in relation to a contract, arrangement or understanding, or a proposed contract, arrangement or understanding the Commission is satisfied that the notice was given on the basis of information that was false or misleading in a material particular or that there had been a material change of circumstances since the notice was given, the Commission may revoke the notice and, in that case, sub-section (2) ceases to operate, after the expiration of 30 days (or such longer period as the Commission by writing permits) after notice in writing of the revocation has been served on the corporation, to deem the contract, arrangement or understanding not to be in restraint of trade or commerce for the purposes of this Act.

Clause 149.

  1. A member of the Commission or a member of the staff assisting the Commission shall not be required to produce in a court a document, copy or extract referred to in sub-section ( 1 ), or to divulge or communicate to any court any information concerning the affairs of any other person acquired by him from such a document, copy or extract, except when it is necessary to do so for the purposes of, or of a proceeding under or arising out of, this Act.

  2. Nothing in sub-section (I) or (2) applies in relation to-

    1. the communication of information to, or the production of a document, copy or extract to, the AttorneyGeneral or an officer acting on behalf of, and with the authority of, the Attorney-General; or
    2. the communication or production to a person of, or of information, documents, copies or extracts concerning, particulars of an agreement to which, according to those particulars, that person is or has been a party.

Proposed new clause 1 56a. “156a. (I) Where a corporation makes an application to the Commission for an authorization, the Commission gives a notice under section 91 (4) to a corporation to which an authorization has been given or proceedings have been instituted against a corporation under section 77, the Commission shall, at the request of the corporation, furnish to the corporation-

  1. a copy of every document that has been furnished to, or obtained by, the Commission in connexion with the matter to which the application, notice or proceedings relates and tends to establish the case of the corporation; and
  2. a copy of any other document in the possession of the Commission that comes to the attention of the Commission in connexion with the matter to which the application, notice or proceedings relates and tends to establish the case of the corporation, not being a document obtained from the corporation or prepared by an officer or professional adviser of the Commission. “(2) If the Commission does not comply with a request under sub-section ( 1 ), the Court shall, subject to sub-section (3), upon application by the corporation who made the request, make an order directing the Commission to comply with the request. “(3) The Court may refuse to make an order under subsection (2) in respect of a document or part of a document if the Court considers it inappropriate to make the order by reason that the disclosure of the contents of the document or part of the document would prejudice any person, or for any other reason. “(4) Before the Court gives a decision on an application under sub-section (2 ), the Court may require any documents to be produced to it for inspection. “(5) An order under this section may be expressed to be subject to conditions specified in the order. “.

Clause 168.

  1. 1 ) The Superior Court of Australia shall not commence to exercise any jurisdiction conferred on that Court by this Act before the day fixed by Proclamation under sub-section 2 (2) of the Superior Court of Australia Act 1974 as the day on which that Court is to commence to exercise its jurisdiction.

  2. If the commencing date is earlier than the day referred to in sub-section ( 1 ), then-

    1. until that day, any action, prosecution or other proceeding that could have been instituted in the Superior Court of Australia under this Act if that Court had commenced to exercise its jurisdiction under this Act may be instituted in the Australian Industrial Court;

Senate ‘s amendment No. 1 -

In clause 2, leave out sub-clauses (3) and (4), insert the following sub-clauses: “(3) Subject to sub-section (4), the remaining provisions of this Act shall come into operation on a date to be fixed by Proclamation. “(4) Sub-sections 45 (1) and (2), except so far as they relate to contracts, arrangements and understandings referred to in sub-section 88 (2), and sub-sections 47 ( 1 ) and 49 ( I ), shall not come into operation until the expiration of 4 months after the date fixed under sub-section (3 ). “(5) A reference in sub-section 45 ( 1) or (2) to the commencement of the sub-section concerned shall be read-

  1. for the purposes of the application of the sub-section concerned in relation to a contract, arrangement or understanding referred to in sub-section 88 (2)- as a reference to the date fixed under sub-section (3) of this section; and
  2. for the purposes of the application of the sub-section concerned in relation to any other contract, arrangement or understanding- as a reference to the expiration of the period referred to in sub-section (4) of this section. “(6) The power of the Governor-General to make appointments of members of the Commission or to make regulations under this Act may be exercised at any time after the day on which this Act receives the Royal Assent but any appointment or regulation so made shall not take effect until the date fixed under sub-section (3). “.

Senate’s amendment No. 2-

In clause 4, in the definition of “Companies Ordinance” leave out “or, if that Ordinance is amended, that Ordinance as amended”.

Senate’s amendment No. 3-

At end of clause 7, add the following new sub-clause: “(5) A person shall not be appointed as a member of the Commission unless he appears to the Governor-General to be qualified for appointment by virtue of his knowledge of, or experience in, industry, commerce or public administration.”.

Senate’s amendment No. 4-

In clause 17, after sub-clause ( 1 ), insert the following new sub-clause: “( 1 a) Where an interest is so disclosed to the Chairman and-

in the case of an interest in a business- the person carrying on the business; or

in the case of an interest in a body corporate- that body corporate, is concerned in an application before the Commission, being an application in the hearing and determination of which the member who has the interest is or will be participating, the Chairman shall cause the interest to be disclosed to the public”.

Senate’s amendment No. 5-

In clause 29, sub-clause ( 1 ), leave out ‘under’ (second occurring), insert ‘related directly or indirectly to ‘.

Senate ‘s amendment No. 6-

At end of clause 40, add the following new sub-clause: “(2) Where an interest is so disclosed to the President and-

in the case of an interest in a business- the person car rying on the business; or

in the case of an interest in a body corporate- that body corporate, is concerned in the proceedings, the President shall cause the interest to be disclosed to the public. “.

Senate’s amendment No. 7-

In clause 45, sub-clause (2), leave out ‘that is’, insert ‘to the extent that it is’.

Senate’s amendment No. 8-

In clause 45, leave out sub-clause (3), insert the following sub-clauses: “(3) A contract, arrangement or understanding having the purpose or effect of fixing, controlling or maintaining the price for, or any discount, allowance or rebate in relation to, any goods or services supplied by the parties to the contract, arrangement or understanding, or by any of them, in competition with each other to persons not being parties to the contract, arrangement or understanding is not in restraint of trade or commerce for the purposes of this Act if the restraint has such a slight effect on competition between the parties to the contract, arrangement or understanding, and on competition between those parties or any of them and other persons, as to be insignificant. “(3a) A contract, arrangement or understanding that is not of the kind referred to in sub-section (3) is not in restraint of trade or commerce for the purposes of this Act unless the restraint has or is likely to have a significant effect on competition between the parties to the contract, arrangement or understanding or on competition between those parties or any of them and other persons.”.

Senate ‘s amendment No. 9-

In clause 46, after sub-clause (2), insert the following new sub-clause: “(2a) For the purposes of this section, a reference to a corporation being in a position substantially to control a market for goods or services includes a reference to a corporation which, by reason of its share of the market, or of its share of the market combined with availability of technical knowledge, raw materials or capital, has the power to determine the prices, or control the production or distribution, of a substantial pan of the goods or services in that market. “.

Senate’s amendment No. 10-

In clause 46, leave out paragraph (a) of sub-clause (3), insert the following paragraph: ‘(a) engaging, during the period of 4 months immediately following the date fixed under sub-section 2 (3), in conduct that is of a kind referred to in sub-section 45 (2) or 47 ( I ) but to which that sub-section does not apply by reason of the fact that the conduct is engaged in before the expiration of that period; or’.

Senate’s amendment No. 1 1-

At end of clause 47, add the following new sub-clause: ‘(6) This section does not apply with respect to any conduct engaged in by a body corporate by way of restricting dealings by another body corporate if those bodies corporate are related to each other,’,

Senate’s amendment No. 12-

In clause 49, sub-clause (1), leave out ‘directly or indirectly’.

Senate’s amendment No. 13-

In clause 50, after sub-clause ( 1 ), insert the following new sub-clause: ‘(lA) This section does not apply to an acquisition of assets of a body corporate in the ordinary course of business.”.

Senate’s amendment No. 14-

In clause 76, leave out all words to and including ‘liable’, insert- ‘ 76. If the Court is satisfied that a person-

a ) has contravened a provision of Part IV:

has attempted to contravene such a provision;

has aided, abetted, counselled or procured a person to contravene such a provision;

has induced, or attempted to induce, a person, whether by threats or promises or otherwise, to contravene such a provision;

has been in any way, directly or indirectly, knowingly concerned in, or party to, the contravention by a person of such a provision; or

has conspired with others to contravene such a provision, the Court may order the person ‘.

Senate’s amendment No. 15-

In clause 77, sub-clause (1), leave out ‘by way of civil action’.

Senate’s amendment No. 16-

In clause 77, sub-clause (2), leave out ‘An action’, insert ‘A proceeding’,

Senate’s amendment No. 17-

In clause 77, sub-clause (2), leave out ‘at any time’, insert ‘within 6 years’.

Senate’s amendment No. 18-

In clause 83, sub-clause (1), leave out ‘all’ wherever occurring.

Senate’s amendment No. 19-

At end of clause 85, add the following new sub-clause: ‘(6) Where, in any proceedings against a person other than a body corporate under this Part, it appears to the Court that the person has or may have done an act in contravention of a provision of Part IV or an act referred to in paragraph 76 (b), (c), (d) or (e) but that the person acted honestly and reasonably and, having regard to all the circumstances of the case, ought fairly to be excused, the Court may relieve the person either wholly or partly from liability to any penalty or damages on such terms as the Court thinks fit. ‘.

Senate’s amendment No. 20-

In clause 90, sub-clause (5 ), leave out ‘specific and ‘. - Senate ‘s amendment No. 2 1 -

In clause 92, sub-clause (2), leave out ‘has or would have such a slight effect on competition as to be insignificant’ insert ‘does not have and is not likely to have, or would not have and would not be likely to have, a significant effect on competition’.

Senate’s amendment No. 22-

In clause 149, sub-clause (2), leave out ‘except when it is necessary to do so for the purposes of, or of a proceeding under or arising out of, this Act’.

Senate ‘s amendment No. 23-

After clause 156, insert the following new clause: ‘156A. (1) Where a corporation makes an application to the Commission for an authorization, the Commission gives a notice under section 91 (4) to a corporation to which an authorization has been given or proceedings have been instituted against a corporation under section 77, the Commission shall, at the request of the corporation, furnish to the corporation-

a copy of every document that has been furnished to, or obtained by, the Commission in connexion with the matter to which the application, notice or proceedings relates and tends to establish the case of the corporation; and

a copy of any other document in the possession of the Commission that comes to the attention of the Commission in connexion with the matter to which the application, notice or proceedings relates and tends to establish the case of the corporation, not being a document obtained from the corporation or prepared by an officer or professional adviser of the Commission. ‘(2) If the Commission does not comply with a request under sub-section ( I ), the Court shall, subject to sub-section (3), upon application by the corporation which made the request, make an order directing the Commission to comply with the request. ‘(3) The Court may refuse to make an order under subsection (2) in respect of a document or part of a document if the Court considers it inappropriate to make the order by reason that the disclosure of the contents of the document or part of the document would prejudice any person, or for any other reason. ‘(4) Before the Court gives a decision on an application under sub-section (2 ), the Court may require any documents to be produced to it for inspection. ‘(5) An order under this section may be expressed to be subject to conditions specified in the order. ‘.

Senate’s amendment No. 24-

In clause 168, leave out sub-clause (1) and sub-clause (2) (a), insert the following sub-clauses: ‘ 168. ( 1 ) Jurisdiction expressed to be conferred on the Superior Court of Australia by this Act shall not be deemed to be so conferred before a court of that name is authorized under another Act to exercise jurisdiction. ‘(2) If, at the commencing date, jurisdiction under this Act cannot be exercised by the Superior Court of Australia, then-

until jurisdiction can be so exercised, any action, prosecution or other proceeding under this Act may be instituted in the Australian Industrial Court as if references in this Act to the Superior Court of Australia were references to the Australian Industrial Court;’

Senate’s amendment No. 25-

At end of clause 168, add the following new sub-clause: ‘(3) The jurisdiction of the Australian Industrial Court by virtue of this section is exclusive of the jurisdiction of other courts to the extent to which the jurisdiction of the Superior Court of Australia under this Act is expressed to be so exclusive.’.

Mr ENDERBY:
Minister for Manufacturing Industry · Canberra · ALP

– I move:

That the amendments be agreed to.

This Bill was first introduced into the Parliament on 27 September 1973. It has now been looked at by both Houses on many occasions. It is a most important Bill. It will, for the first time, provide

Australia with an effective law dealing with restrictive trade practices. It will also provide, at the national level, long overdue protection for consumers and customers against a wide range of unfair practices. It is desirable that the legislation be brought into operation as early as practicable, particularly having regard to its relevance to inflation. As we know, that is one of the reasonsMr Ellicott- The Opposition does not oppose these amendments, if it is of any assistance to my friend.

Mr ENDERBY:

– I am indebted to my friend.

Mr Ellicott:

– There is no need to make a long speech.

Mr ENDERBY:

– It is not a long speech. With too many price fixing and other restrictive arrangements in this country which are working in the wrong direction as far as efforts to counter inflation are concerned, it is desirable that the legislation be brought into operation with minimum delay and that these practices be stamped out. Some of the provisions prohibiting restrictive trade practices will not become effective until 4 months after the commencement of the legislation, but price fixing arrangements will be prohibited from the outset. The Government has made it clear that it is quite prepared to give close consideration to and, where appropriate, to accept amendments that will improve this Bill. Our objective throughout has been to obtain the best possible law because it has to be a law which is effective, yet at the same time not provide unnecessary problems for industry.

A number of amendments were made to the Bill in the Senate. Some of these were moved by the Government, and some were moved by the Opposition. There was a large measure of acceptance of the amendments in the Senate, and the amendments leave the basic structure of the Bill intact. They largely concern matters of refinement or further clarification of the meaning of particular provisions. The following are among the matters dealt with by the amendments: The commencement provision is changed to provide a 4-month staging in period for the price discrimination provision and to make the prohibition of price fixing agreements effective from the date of commencement of the legislation. Changes are made in the restraint of trade provision in clause 45 in regard to the onus to be borne in determining whether an agreement is outside the prohibition by reason of its insignificant effect on competition. A new provision is included in the monopolisation provision, clause 46, to assist in determining whether a corporation is in a position substantially to control a market for the purposes of that provision. A change is made in clause 76 to emphasise a stricter standard of proof, appropriate to the nature of the proceedings, and the penalty provided will operate in proceedings for pecuniary penalties. A new defence is provided in clause 85 for a natural person- but not for a corporationwhere the person acted honestly and reasonably and in the court’s view ought fairly to be excused. A new provision- clause 156 A- is included providing for disclosure to a party, by the Commission, of documents that tend to establish the party’s case. The remaining amendments are mainly of a technical or drafting nature. The amendments are acceptable to the Government, and I have moved that the Committee accept them so that the Bill can become law.

I conclude my remarks by saying that I am sure that my honourable friend will share my view that Australia has been without effective anti-restrictive trade practice legislation for a very long time, for one reason or another. Two of those reasons have been legal challenges in the courts and pressure on governments- previous governments and this Government- by strong, powerful, vested interests. The proposals for a stronger effective law came, in modern times, as long ago as 1962 when Sir Garfield Barwick began to espouse the need for legislation of this kind. But for one reason or another it was not forthcoming. Ineffective legislation was produced in 1965. The genesis of this Bill, which we hope will become law today, was in September of last year when the original Bill was introduced by the Whitlam Labor Government. I am sure that all honourable members will agree that in the fight against inflation any legislation which is effective, strong and workable will play a very important part. Some history of significance is being made today when, as we hope, this Bill becomes law.

Mr ELLICOTT:
Wentworth

-This legislation on trade practices, when it passes into law, as it may well do later today or tomorrow, will not cure inflation. It will not have any real effect on inflation. The Opposition, in a constructive way, either will agree to or will not oppose some of the amendments which are before the Committee. The fact is that the Government brought in this legislation last September, as the Minister for Manufacturing Industry (Mr Enderby) has said. At that time the Government forced this legislation through the House. The legislation then came before this House early in November, and at that time it was again sought to bring reason to bear on the Government so that the legislation might be considered in a reasonable atmosphere. Unfortunately, that was not to be and finally the legislation was forced through this House. We know that the history is that by April this year it was brought back and introduced into the Senate. We know that on that occasion it came back with some 110 amendments and that those 110 or perhaps more amendments were the result of consideration of the Bill by the Attorney-General (Senator Murphy) in the light of matters brought up by the Opposition. When this Bill came before the House again in July it was debated and we suggested again quite a number of amendments. There are 24 amendments before this House today and, of those, some 18 or 19 were proposed in this House and opposed by the Government at the time. The Bill then went to the Senate, it was debated, and the Government then accepted those amendments.

Two or three amendments, particularly those relating to clause 76 of the Bill, cause the Opposition some concern. It will appear to honourable members if they look at the Bill that that provision relates to the onus of proof in proceedings brought by the Government to recover penalties. Those penalties can amount to up to $250,000. The Opposition took the view, and still takes the view, that it is fair enough that in such proceedings there be proof beyond reasonable doubt of any particular breach. The Government resisted that and finally was forced to amend clause 76 in such a way as to require strict proof. By that we understand the Government to mean proof beyond reasonable doubt. Apparently the Government still wishes this question to remain in a state of doubt so that the courts will have to consider it. In other words, although the Government appears to agree with us in principle it insists on a clause which will not clarify the matter at all. We will not oppose those particular provisions. As to the others, we will agree with them. The particular ones to which I refer are those numbered 14, 15 and 16.

The Minister has referred to the fact that we have had trade practices legislation for some time. We on this side of the house do not agree that that legislation has not been effective. One has only to read the reports of the Commissioner of Trade Practices to realise what effect it has had. Indeed many of the pricing agreements in this country have already been brought to heel and the fact is that, due to that, this proposed Act, when it comes into force, will have little effect on inflation and prices. The fact is that those in industry who have price fixing agreements have adjusted under the old Act. I draw the attention of honourable members to the report of the Commissioner of Trade practices which was tabled in this House in July this year. There has up to date been effective legislation. There have been constitutional challenges- they were necessary- and, may I remind the Minister, they were undertaken by the previous Government. It was the previous Government that established before the High Court the wide powers under the corporations power in relation to trade practices. If it had not been for the fact that the previous Government persisted with the validity of that legislation and made it the basis of the Resale Price Maintenance Act, this Government would now be floundering in a constitutional bog instead of being in a position where it can go ahead with the feeling that this legislation has a great deal of constitutional validity behind it. We will support the amendments other than those numbered 14, 15 and 16. As to those, we will not oppose them.

Question resolved in the affirmative.

Resolution reported; report adopted.

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NATIONAL ROADS BILL 1974

Bill returned from the Senate with amendments.

Motion (by Mr Charles Jones) agreed to:

That the amendments be taken into consideration in the Committee of the Whole forthwith.

In Committee

Consideration of Senate’s amendments.

Clause 4.

Clause 6.

Unless the Minister of State for Urban and Regional Development or an officer authorised by the Minister has concurred in the inclusion of the project in the program.

Senate’s amendment No. 1 -

In clause 4, sub-clause (3), after ‘may’, insert ‘enter into an agreement with a State to ‘.

Senate’s amendment No. 2-

In clause 4, sub-clause (4), after ‘may ‘ insert ‘enter into an agreement with a State to’.

Senate’s amendment No. 3-

In clause 6, sub-clause (6), leave out paragraph (b),

Senate’s amendment No. 4-

In clause 6, sub-clause (6), leave out ‘or an officer authorised by that Minister’.

Mr CHARLES JONES:
Minister for Transport · Newcastle · ALP

– I move:

It will be recalled by honourable members that I introduced the National Roads Bill 1974 into the House of Representatives on 18 July of this year. Although the Bill was passed by the House of Representatives, 4 amendments were subsequently made to it in another place. In the interests of furthering the passage of this important legislation through the Parliament the Government is prepared to accept 2 of those amendments. I shall address myself to them at a later stage. However, the Government is not prepared to accept the first 2 amendments, which relate to the power of the Minister for Transport to declare a road an export road or a major commercial road. The amendments are to sub-clause (3) of clause 4 and to sub-clause (4) of clause 4. Those amendments, if accepted, would have the effect of requiring the Minister to obtain the agreement of a State before declaring ‘export’ or ‘major commercial ‘ roads.

Honourable members will know from a reading of the Bill that an export road is one which facilitates trade and commerce or the development of trade and commerce with other countries and that a major commercial road is one which facilitates trade and commerce or the development of trade and commerce among the States. As I understand it, the reason for these proposed amendments is because, unlike national highways which are substantially roads connecting capital cities, export and major commercial roads are usually interstate roads. Surely this reasoning does not go to the heart of the matter.

The Government is providing 100 per cent of the finance for these roads- the Opposition is not disputing this- because it believes they are truly of a national character. Of course they are geographically located within each State, but surely the important consideration here relates to their purpose and not where they happen to be located. We are all familiar with the great need that exists for the development of these types of roads. Anyone who has travelled from the city to Sydney airport, particularly in the peak hours, will only too readily recognise the congestion that exists there. Roads to ports in many of our cities are similarly congested and thus contribute to the delay in loading and clearing cargo in these areas.

In the second reading speech I made when I first introduced the National Roads Bill into the House of Representatives I indicated the general outline of the routes which the Government intended to designate as national highways. 1 did not, however, do that for export or major commercial roads. That is because the Government will, in fact, be consulting with the State governments on the most suitable roads for declaration. The Prime Minister (Mr Whitlam) has already written to the then Acting Premier of New South Wales, Sir Charles Cutler, in this respect, seeking his co-operation with regard to discussions between Australian Government Ministers and New South Wales Government Ministers on the possibility of some of the Botany Bay access roads falling within the export road category, thereby making them eligible for the whole cost of their construction and maintenance to be borne by the Australian Government. If I may, Mr Chairman, I would like to quote the final paragraph of a letter written on 5 June by the Prime Minister to Sir Charles Cutler, the then Acting Premier of New South Wales. The letter deals with things other than roads. In it the Prime Minister said:

I also understand that Dr Neilson’s report includes proposals for access roads to Botany Bay. As was indicated in February when the Queen opened Parliament, the Government will be bringing forward a new road program which will place emphasis on national highways, including interstate highways and export roads. Perhaps our Ministers could discuss the possibility of some of the Botany Bay access roads falling into the export road category. If they were accepted, this would then make them eligible for their whole cost to be borne by the Australian Government.

Sitting suspended from 1.1 to 2.15 p.m.

Mr CHARLES JONES:

-Mr Chairman, before lunch I was outlining the Ieasons why the Government is unable to accept Senate amendments Nos. 1 and 2. Soon after the Premiers

Conference, highway commissioners were invited to Canberra to hear an outline of the new arrangements. Bilateral discussions then commenced immediately with each of the State highway authorities to discuss individual aspects of the new proposals. At these meetings State officers were asked for suggestions on individual roads which might be declared as export roads and major commercial roads under the proposed legislation. They have since made suggestions to my officers on these matters.

Officers of the Department of Urban and Regional Development and my Department have had discussions with officers and local government representatives in all States on the development of urban local roads programs as follows: New South Wales, 29 July 1974; Victoria, 15 August 1974; Queensland, 16 August 1974; South Australia, 25 July 1974; Western Australia, 26 July 1974; and Tasmania, 14 August 1974. 1 think it is important that we take note of the fact that discussions also have been held with Queensland officers over differences of opinion on the alignment of the national highway between Marlborough and Sarina in Queensland which is properly known as the Bruce Highway. On this occasion I came down on the side of the Queensland Government’s request. My colleague the Minister for Northern Development (Dr Patterson) put a very strong point of view. I was able to assist him on that. All of these consultations only go to prove that I am no czar, as was suggested on a previous occasion. I would prefer to be called the Fuehrer -

Mr Nixon:

– What was that?

Mr CHARLES JONES:

-Fuehrer. It is easier to pronounce. But, all jokes aside, whilst there have been many claims from the States that the Australian Government is centralist, this is patently not true because the things we are doing are a clear indication that we are prepared to negotiate, to talk and to have discussions with the States. We have already done that. Many of these things such as conferences and discussions were undertaken long before the Senate made its amendments. I believe that this is a clear cut case of misunderstanding and probably misinterpretation of how far we wanted to go. Under the 1969 Commonwealth Aid Roads Act the definition of ‘urban arterial road ‘ reads as follows: ‘Urban arterial road’ means a road or a proposed road in an urban area that is for the time being declared by the Minister to be an urban arterial road, or an urban sub-arterial road, for the purposes of this Act.

Similarly the definition of ‘rural arterial road’ reads: ‘Rural arterial road ‘ means a rural road that is for the time being declared by the Minister to be a rural arterial road for the purposes of this Act.

The Minister referred to is me. These definitions were not written into the Act by me. They were written into the Act by the honourable member for Gippsland (Mr Nixon), the former and last Minister for Shipping and Transport.

Mr Nixon:

– I am a co-operative type. They know I can co-operate with them. They do not believe you.

Mr CHARLES JONES:

-They are disbelieving souls. In fact, I believe that these definitions were written in by the honourable member’s predecessor, the Deputy Leader of the Australian Country Party (Mr Sinclair). So all we did in drafting the Bill was to write in those things which were in previous pieces of legislation which have been acceptable to the States and which have been workable. Therefore, we thought that this was the easy way out of the situation. In the Government’s view there is no difference in principle between the declaration of an ‘export’ road, or a ‘major commercial’ road and those which the Minister was able to declare without the States’ agreement when the Opposition was in power.

In summary the position is this: The Government believes ‘export’ and ‘major commercial’ roads are important in the national interest. In anticipation of the passing of the legislation we have already sought the views of the States on possible declarations of roads under these categories. All we ask is that the declaration of these roads be on the same basis as other roads already included in this Bill, that is national highways, roads covered by the Roads Grants Bill and the position under the 1969 Commonwealth Aid Roads Act.

Mr NIXON:
Gippsland

-The Minister for Transport (Mr Charles Jones) said that he prefers to be referred to as a Fuehrer rather than a Czar. Be that as it may, it seems to me that he is like Napoleon because he has just made the greatest retreat since Napoleon retreated from Moscow. The fact is that he has backed right away from the position he took. He went out on a limb but then produced an axe to chop that limb off. As a result he fell crashing to the ground. The Fuehrer across the table is just like the last Fuehrer of history, Adolf Hitler. The analogy can be drawn that whereas Hitler was attacked by bombs in his underground shelter, the Minister at the table has been bombed by telegrams from the States and from local government authorities telling him that they did not like the legislation. Under the weight and fusillade of telegrams and protests from local government associations around Australia- I might say that this was well organised by those associations and my congratulations go to them- the Minister, like his predecessor the Fuehrer of Germany, crumbled. This is the first reason we are back here today.

The second reason we are back here today is that the so-called obstructionist Senate, about which the Minister for Services and Property (Mr Daly) was so pleased to talk earlier, has done its job by democracy, the nation, the State governments and local government bodies throughout Australia. Local government bodies ought to recognise now, if they had not done so before, just how important it is that the Senate be as it is and not controlled by the Labor centralists and socialists of this nation who are trying to destroy our democratic system through a process of anarchy.

With those few preambles, let me come back to the legislation. I was delighted that the State governments responded as vigorously as they did to the legislation. The Ministers for Transport in Victoria, New South Wales, Western Australia and Queensland let the Minister know exactly what they thought of the legislation. I was disappointed that the South Australian Minister did not join the band. However, I quote some words of the South Australian Minister who said:

If you think that we are going to let you tell us how much money we have to raise and how we are to spend it even down to local government level you had better have another . . .

I delete the expletive- think about it. I tell you straight Charlie this is not on.

Those very famous words with all the expletives deleted- and there is a page and a bit of what was said- came from the South Australian Minister. This was part of a very public telephone conversation between the Minister for Transport and the South Australian Minister. The Minister for Transport was told in the bar of Parliament House- and about 8 witnesses were presentexactly what the South Australian Minister thought about him and his legislation. The point is that the position taken by the Opposition in the Senate following the position taken by the Opposition in the House of Representatives is supported not only by so-called conservatives and tories around Australia but by the radical Labor Minister for Transport in South Australia. If the Minister would like the conversation to be incorporated in Hansard I will seek leave for that to be done. There are quite a few expletives deleted. There was ‘(Expletive deleted) drongo, (expletive deleted) this’- all referring to the

Minister. It just shows that, away from this ivory tower, the people of Australia recognise that the Senate did its proper job. The Senate did it with this Bill just as it did with the Trade Practices Bill. The proof of that is that the Minister has accepted the amendments.

The CHAIRMAN (Mr Scholes:
CORIO, VICTORIA

-Order! I draw attention to the fact that the motion is: That the amendments be disagreed to.

Mr NIXON:

-That is right. We accept the position that the Minister has adopted on this motion. The Opposition will not oppose the Minister’s suggestion that we disagree with those amendments. That is a different position from the one we took in the first place because since then the Minister has fully explained the details of the Bill. The whole position would not have arisen if in his second reading speech the Minister had explained exactly what the clauses were all about. If one turns to the Minister’s second reading speech one will see that it is a political speech, loaded with political dynamite- perhaps ‘ bull dust ‘ is a better expression, if I may use such an unparliamentary expression. The fact is that, had the Minister come in here with a straight declaration, an exposition or explanation of what each of the clauses meant, we would never have reached this position. Clause 4 sub-clauses (3) and (4) commence as follows:

The Minister may declare a road in a State that facilitates, or a proposed road in a State, that would, if constructed, facilitate trade and commerce -

The Opposition sought to include the words ‘enter into an agreement with a State to ‘ after the words ‘the Minister may’. My advice- this did not come from the Minister’s second reading speech- is that the criteria on which a road would be declared are laid down in the clause and therefore a State is now in a position to challenge should the Minister go in, willy-nilly, declaring roads throughout Australia with no guarantees to the States. So the States are left in a much stronger position than was explained in the Minister’s second reading speech. Therefore the Opposition does not oppose the amendment.

Mr UREN:
Minister for Urban and Regional Development · Reid · ALP

– The Committee is debating a message from the Senate which seeks certain amendments to the Australian Government’s National Roads Bill. I believe that this Government is making a genuine effort to meet the views of the Opposition as expressed in the amendments sought by the Senate. The Government is prepared to make concessions and to compromise in an effort to get the funds allocated by these Bills to the States, the shires and the councils. The Government does not want to see this legislation- and therefore the provision of funds- delayed or jammed any longer in this Parliament.

Mr Nixon:

-What is this?

Mr UREN:

– This is a genuine approach. We have been responsible in our approach and as responsible men we want to see the immediate flow of funds to the States for urgent road works and we ask those reasonable men on the Opposition side to have the same spirit.

Mr Nixon:

– I just agreed to the motion. Why are you making a speech? Let us get on with the business. We have agreed to it.

Mr UREN:

– I am pleased about that. All right, let us get on with the business. Is the honourable member for Parramatta intending to rise?

Mr Ruddock:

– No.

Mr UREN:

– If an Opposition member does not rise, the Government agrees not to speak either. I just want to join with my colleague and stress one thing. This is an important step that we are making. The control and administration of programs for inner city freeway systems and all other freeways that must be judged on their merits under the urban arterial roads programs are no different -

Mr Nixon:

– We are on the National Roads Bill.

Mr UREN:

-Well, the principle here is that -

The CHAIRMAN:

– The question is: That the amendments be disagreed to.

Mr CHARLES JONES:
Minister for Transport · Newcastle · ALP

– I just want to say in a couple of words that I have been misrepresented.

The CHAIRMAN (Mr Scholes:

-Would the Minister like to made a personal explanation.

Mr CHARLES JONES:

-No, I do not claim that right. As to the alleged conversation between Mr Virgo and me, I have no recollection of the alleged words being uttered.

Mr Young:

– I can assure you Mr Virgo would not use those words. I have known turn for a number of years

Mr CHARLES JONES:

-I thank the honourable member for Port Adelaide for his interjection.

Mr Snedden:

– What did you say to Al Grassby?

Mr CHARLES JONES:

– What did I say to Al Grassby? You said it was Patterson.

Mr Snedden:

– But it was you.

Mr CHARLES JONES:

-No, you said it was Patterson.

Mr Snedden:

– But it was you.

Mr CHARLES JONES:

-The facts are that there was a discussion one night- I do not know which night. It was between Geoff Virgo and me. We are very good friends. We were very good friends and we are very good friends. I do not think it is right for somebody to eavesdrop on a conversation in a parliamentary bar and then to record it in some way or another. I thought that what went on in parliamentary bars was the prerogative of the people who frequented them.

I wish to clear up one point. We are seeking to co-operate with the States. What I am putting forward to this House today is no different from what was put forward in a prepared statement which was read on my behalf in the Senate. That statement set out in this term what we proposed to do. I believe that the Senate said it was prepared to accept my word of what I would do but it did not know who the Minister would be at some later stage. So, we have put our proposals into legislative form.

Amendments Nos 1 and 2 disagreed to.

Mr CHARLES JONES:
Minister for Transport · Newcastle · ALP

– I move:

Sub-clause 6 as originally drafted provided for the Minister to seek the concurrence of the Minister for Urban and Regional Development in respect of road works in the growth centre of Albury-Wodonga and such other places as were jointly declared for the purpose of this Act. The Senate’s amendment has had the effect of precluding any future growth centres being declared along with Albury-Wodonga. Senate amendment No. 4 precludes the Minister for Urban and Regional Development delegating to an officer his power to concur in the approval of such road projects. Whilst the clause as originally drafted was a logical approach to the question of future growth centres and the delegation of the concurrence power, my colleague, Mr Uren, has agreed with me that we should not let the omission of these provisions stand in the way of bringing the legislation into operation as quickly as possible. It is in this spirit that we accept these amendments.

Mr NIXON:
Gippsland

-I am delighted that the Minister for Transport (Mr Charles Jones) has seen fit to accept this amendment that I moved originally in the House and which the Senate agreed to. I am concerned to hear the Minister say that this precludes any future growth centre being declared. I find that an extraordinary statement. I do not believe it. If the Australian Government is going to try to pretend that clause 6 (b) will preclude the Minister for Urban and Regional Development, who has his own constitutional authority and power, from declaring a region fit to be a growth centre, I think we have reached the highest point of plain ridiculousness that I have ever heard. I do not believe the Act in any way derogates the power of the Minister for Urban and Regional Development. I think it is nonsense for the Minister to try to pretend it does. Do not tell me that the administrative arrangements of this Government are so confused that it cannot even sort itself out. That was the point in moving the amendment in the first place.

I am pleased the Senate once again agreed to the amendment because otherwise the States would find themselves in an extraordinary position of not knowing who is king of the roads as a result of legislation going through this House. The Czar has been routed. Now he is crying poor mouth and saying we are blocking Government legislation. It is absolute nonsense to pretend that this will stop future declaration of growth centres throughout Australia or the building of roads associated with them. The Government can make its own simple administrative arrangements as previous governments have done historically down through the years. I am pleased that the Senate has again proved its real worth to the nation by instituting these amendments. I hope that the people of Australia know exactly what it does.

Mr UREN:
Minister for Urban and Regional Development · Reid · ALP

- Mr Chairman, I wish to clarify the situation. The determination of future growth centres will be a joint decision by the responsible Ministers in the respective States and by me as Federal Minister for Urban and Regional Development. So there will not be any problem in that regard.

Mr Nixon:

– Inform your colleague of that.

Mr UREN:

– The Minister for Transport (Mr Jones) will clarify his position. There will be a consultative role with the States and I have made my position clear in this regard. There may be some technical details to be sorted out. The administrative arrangements within the Australian Parliament and with regard to the Australian Government are clear on our side. The Minister for Transport and myself, together with our departments, work in very close co-operation, unlike what was probably the chauvinism that existed under the previous Government. The situation that the honourable member for Gippsland (Mr Nixon) forgets is that there has been a revolution in urban and regional affairs. Nothing was done in that field by the former Government for 23 years. We believe that you cannot deal with matters of transport, housing and land use without taking into account their inter-relationship and inter-connection. That is why the Minister for the Environment and Conservation (Dr Cass), the Minister for Housing and Construction (Mr Les Johnson), the Minister for Transport and the Minister for Urban and Regional Development in our Government, and their departments, have worked particularly closely together. I want to remind the honourable member for Gippsland, who was the Minister for Shipping and Transport in the previous Government, of what Mr Jones, the present Minister for Transport, stated on this matter during the last discussion at the Committee stage. He said that when Ministers in the previous Government produced legislation, including measures relating to beef roads, they permitted concurrence. Of course, our predecessors had no policy on urban and regional affairs. Therefore, they would not want any such legislation, could not understand any such legislation or any reasonable position when we introduced such legislation. But we will not delay the passage of this legislation just because the role I was to play has been deleted from it. As Ministers, we have agreed to work together as a team and we have our guidelines set down. We are not unhappy at all with our position.

Mr CHARLES JONES:
Minister for Transport · Newcastle · ALP

- Mr Chairman, I wish to repeat what I said earlier when I stated that the Government was prepared to accept the amendments that the Senate made to the legislation. I think that it is important that I do this because I am certain that the honourable member for Gippsland (Mr Nixon) has completely misunderstood what I said. Clause 6 (6), as originally drafted, provided for the Minister to undertake, in concurrence with the approval of the Minister for Urban and Regional Development, road works in the growth centres of Albury-Wodonga and other such places that were so jointly declared- and I emphasise these next 6 words- ‘for the purpose of this Act’. The Senate amendment has had the effect of precluding any such growth centres being declared, along with Albury-Wodonga. So that is the position for the purposes of this Act. That is all I am talking about. I am not talking about some other Act. I am talking about this measure that we are dealing with at the moment, namely, the National Roads Bill.

Mr NIXON:
Gippsland

– I accept the explanation of the Minister for Transport (Mr Charles Jones). I am delighted that he has now so defined the clause. There was one other aspect with which I wish to deal. An amendment of particular significance that the Government has accepted is that which deletes the words ‘or an officer authorised by the Minister’. Mr Chairman, you will recall that the Minister for Urban and Regional Development (Mr Uren) could have given the power to a delegated public servant to override decisions taken by the elected State governments or the elected local government bodies throughout Australia. That was a particularly objectionable part of this Bill to which we were opposed. I am delighted now that such an officer no longer has that power and that the Commonwealth can now enter into proper consultation with the States.

One other point needs to be made. During his remarks the Minister for Urban and Regional Development got on his high horse, as we are accustomed to seeing him do these days. I simply say this: The Opposition has a much better and more clearly defined approach to problems of urban and regional development that has the Minister. What we need to have from the Minister is a clear definition of what he is after. He goes from one State to another making statements like this: ‘I am going to buy back the Dandenongs; I am going to do this, in the La Trobe Valley and I am going to do this out of Sydney.’ The Minister should put his money where his mouth is and do something. He is making a mess of Albury-Wodonga and pity help the States in having to deal with him as Minister on this matter.

Senate ‘s amendments Nos 3 and 4 agreed to.

Resolution reported; report adopted.

Motion ( by Mr Charles Jones) agreed to:

That Mr Uren, Mr Daly and the mover be appointed a committee to draw up reasons for the House of Representatives disagreeing to the amendments Nos 1 and 2 of the Senate.

Mr CHARLES JONES:
Minister for Transport · Newcastle · ALP

- Mr Speaker, on behalf of the Committee appointed to draw up reasons for the House disagreeing to the amendments of the Senate, I bring up such reasons. (Thereupon the Clerk read the reasons as follows):

Because

  1. The declaration of a road as an ‘export’ road or a major commercial ‘ road is no different to declarations of National Highways, of the various categories of roads under the Roads Grants Bill 1974 and of the various categories of roads under the previous 1 969 Commonwealth Aid Roads Act where the Minister had or is proposed to have the sole right of declaration. 2. ‘Export’ and ‘major commercial’ roads being roads which facilitate or would, if built, facilitate trade and commerce, or the development of trade and commerce, with other countries and among the States come within the constitutional power of Australia.

Motion (by Mr Charles Jones) agreed to:

That the Committee’s reasons be adopted.

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ROADS GRANTS BILL 1974

Bill returned from the Senate with amendments.

Motion (by Mr Charles Jones) agreed to:

That the amendments be taken into consideration by a Committee of the whole House forthwith.

In Committee

Consideration of Senate’s amendments.

Clause 4.

Clause 5.

Clause 10.

Clause 1 1.

Senate’s amendment No. 1 -

In clause 4, leave out sub-clause ( 1 ).

Senate ‘s amendment No. 2-

In clause 4, sub-clause (3), leave out ‘with the concurrence of the Minister of State for Urban and Regional Development and ‘.

Senate’s amendment No. 3-

In clause 4, sub-clause (4), leave out ‘The Minister of State for Urban and Regional Development, with the concurrence of the Minister and after consultation with the appropriate Minister of a State’, insert “The Minister, after consultation with the appropriate Minister of a State”.

Senate’s amendment No. 4-

In clause 4, sub-clause (7), leave out ‘with the concurrence of the Minister of State for Urban and Regional Development,’.

Senate’s amendment No. 5-

In clause 4, sub-clause (9), after ‘(c)’, insert ‘with the agreement of the State, ‘.

Senate’s amendment No. 6-

In clause5, sub-clause (2), leave out ‘only to the extent that the Treasurer is satisfied that they are required by the State’.

Senate ‘s amendment No. 7-

In clause 10, sub-clause (1 ), leave out paragraph (c).

Senate’s amendment No. 8-

Leave out Clause 1 1.

Mr CHARLES JONES:
Minister for Transport · Newcastle · ALP

– I move:

Honourable members will recall that I introduced the Road Grants Bill 1974 into this House on 18 July. As did the National Roads Bill, it passed this House but has been amended in another place. Eight amendments were made to the Bill and the Government is prepared to accept these amendments as they apply to all categories of roads in the Bill, with the exception of 2 amendments as they apply to urban arterial roads. The Government cannot accept that the requirements of the original clause 4, sub-clause ( 1 ) and clause 1 1 should not still apply in respect of urban arterial roads. Clause 4, sub-clause (1 ) as we now propose will enable the Minister for Transport to require a State or local government authority to submit for approval a program of urban arterial roadworks which would include works financed from its own resources. Clause 1 1, as we now propose it, would apply only to urban arterial roads. I made it clear in a statement issued prior to the debate on this Bill in another place that clause 4 was not mandatory and would be applied only in a restricted sense. It remains the intention of the Government that the Minister’s power under clause 4, sub-clause 1, should apply only to urban arterial roads. It is therefore proposed that this sub-clause be amended to give effect to this intention.

Honourable members will know that the Australian Government is giving high priority to the objective of improving the quality of life in the cities and in particular to substantially improving public transport. The proper development of urban arterial roads is extremely important to achieving this objective because much of urban public transport, taxis and buses in particular, run on these roads. An important type of urban arterial road is the freeway. These have become the centre of controversy in every State capital city. A special report recently prepared by the Bureau of Roads identified many advantages of freeways over heavily laden arterial roads. These advantages include very significant reductions in road accidents, decreases in the operating costs of commercial and private vehicles, savings in travel time and reductions in air pollution, noise, community disruption and very substantial improvements in route times for public transport.

On the other hand, the report found that most Australian capital cities have a radial pattern of railways and roads emanating from the centre of the city. The difficulty with this pattern is that as roads and railways approach the centre of the city the distance between them becomes less and less and the volume of traffic per lane increases. The inner areas are, as a result, polluted by noise and congestion and are dissected into areas which are too small to act as true communities. It is these latter aspects of freeway development that are a matter for considerable concern. It is a fact that enough consideration is being given to the social and environmental aspects of freeway development. People living in many inner areas of our larger cities are finding their houses uprooted for freeway development without due care and consideration being paid to their needs

This Government will not tolerate this state of affairs. As a Government we are not prepared to agree to the States using grants for freeways which they believe will be acceptable to us, but then use their own moneys to build unacceptable freeways. If this situation is allowed to prevail many of the problems associated with future freeway planning will continue and the Australian Government will be indirectly aiding and abetting the situation. The Bureau of Roads in its report found that a number of freeways being built were unacceptable in that they did not comply with the principles of proper development of the Bureau which the Bureau defined as follows:

In Outer Areas:

Freeways should follow a grid pattern. They should move traffic around the built-up areas. They should provide links between sub-regional centres or system cities.

In Middle and Outer Suburbs:

Freeways should be encircling or bypass freeways. They should separate inter suburban traffic from local traffic.

They should provide fast routes for goods and passenger transport to bypass inner suburbs and the CBD

In Inner Suburbs:

Radial freeways should not be provided for work trips to CBD

There may be justification for freeways in these areas for moving large volumes of traffic, particularly heavy commercial traffic, around or away from CBD or its adjacent suburbs.

Mr Chairman, those definitions come from the Bureau of Roads report. The Bureau included as unacceptable the future development in the inner areas of Sydney, of part of the north western freeway, the extension of the Warringah freeway to Willoughby, and the western, southern and eastern freeways. The Bureau considered that all of these should not be given priority in the road improvement programs for Sydney. In Melbourne the position in regard to inner city freeways is not so bad. The Government there, under electoral pressure before the last State elections, in inner areas removed many of the freeways that were then not acceptable.

Turning to pollution generally, this is a matter of considerable concern to all of us. Honourable members may well ask why the evidence available is, to say the least, disturbing to anyone concerned with living conditions in our major cities. For example, average carbon monoxide levels taken over an 8-hour period in Sydney reached as high as 49 parts per million compared with a maximum of 9 parts per million recommended as long term goals by the World Health Organisation. Similarly there were recordings in Sydney of . 1 7 parts per million of petrochemical oxidants as compared with World Health Organisation recommendations of .06 parts per million. There is less information available about other capital cities. But, again, the information that was available suggested that problems of petrochemical smog and the like either existed or could be expected to emerge.

The National Health and Medical Research Council had examined the available data on air quality in Australia. The Council had agreed that in order to achieve and maintain satisfactory quality for health needs it would be necessary to take more action to reduce vehicle emissions. There is too much at stake in regard to freeways to leave the States to their own decision making. Australia can still avoid many of the mistakes made in the United States in regard to freeways. The experiences of the American city of Los Angeles were illuminating in this respect. At one time Los Angeles had the largest suburban rail system in the United States but because of years of neglect this system was allowed to run down, until by 1961 no more suburban passenger services were provided in that city. Los Angeles has from that time relied on a system of freeways to provide the backbone of its transport system. More than 450 miles of freeways have been built. However, whilst this may be a superb engineering achievement, it does not provide the sort of transport system which serves the needs of all members of the community. Those without the means to afford cars- the young, the old and the poor- were ignored by the system. In addition, the people of Los Angeles now realise that freeways cause other problems. Because of this experience the city of Los Angeles has turned again to public transportation so that it may breathe some life into its choking city. It has reestablished a transit authority which is now engaged on the planning and building of a new rapid transit system.

The Australian Government is determined that the public transport systems of the Australian cities will not suffer the same decline that such systems suffered in cities like Los Angeles, with the consequent huge expenditure needed to re-establish a viable public transport system. The Australian Government’s transport initiatives in the urban public transport area are designed to provide a better balanced transport system. Last year $32m was provided to the States for public transport. I am confident that more will be made available in future years to continue this initiative. Apart from the serious need to look at the social and environmental effects of freeway development, there is an important need to ensure that finances provided for urban arterial roads and urban public transport upgrading are closely co-ordinated. This can be achieved only if the Australian Government is in a position to ensure that urban arterial road development is properly planned in all its aspects. There is nothing to be gained if Australian Government grants are used on urban railway development and the

States build competitive freeways alongside that development. Co-ordination of both these forms of transport is necessary, and this can be achieved only if the Australian Government is in a position to have the controls relating to urban arterial roads as envisaged in clause 4(1). The arguments in support of the Goverment’s stand are overwhelming and I believe they have the support of the majority of people living in our cities. I trust that the Opposition will see the force of this and ensure that this Bill, as amended, is brought into operation as quickly as possible.

Mr NIXON:
Gippsland

– It is the wish of the Opposition to co-operate in this matter. The Opposition is delighted that the Minister for Transport (Mr Charles Jones) should accept the modified amendment that was moved in the Senate. Just let me recount exactly what the Bill, as it read previously, did in respect of the powers of the central Government. The relevant clause would have given the Australian Government the right to call on every local government body and every State government throughout Australia to submit to Canberra any project involving the spending of money on road work or road maintenance. The most minor road work on which a shire in my electorate of Gippsland might need to spend money might have had to be submitted to the Federal Government for approval, even if the expenditure was from local ratepayers’ money. That is how ridiculous this Bill was in its original drafting. It is no wonder that the Minister was described as a tsar when he wanted such control. In his own words, he wanted to be described as a fuehrer sitting as a dictator over every bit of road construction and maintenance- even the erection of a road sign or the painting of a white line down the middle of the main street of Orbost where I live. That is how ridiculous this Bill was.

As I said, fortunately the Minister, as a result of the thousands of telegrams that bombarded him in his office downstairs, succumbed to the realities of life and realised that it is not a practicable proposition that the Australian Government should so control all roads. For that reason he has accepted the Opposition’s amendment to take away the power of the Australian Government over local rural roads, rural arterial roads and local urban roads in the cities throughout Australia. The one area that is left is that covering urban arterial roads. I still have qualms about our accepting this amendment, except for one thing. I believe that the State goverment. and the State Ministers are powerful enough in their own right to resist the all-power dominance of the Australian Government. After listening to the Minister’s speech a moment ago I can understand completely why the State governments, and the local councils in Melbourne and the cities generally, were nervous about this Bill. The Minister just gave us a treatise on how he, as the Fuehrer, would handle all roads in the cities throughout Australia. He does not do this in a spirit of co-operation; he does it in a very dogmatic, dictatorial and ‘I am right and that is all about it’ sense. We want the Minister to do as the Minister for Urban and Regional Development (Mr Uren) claims he does; that is, to co-operate with the States and local authorities in the cities in overcoming these problems.

All wisdom does not reside in the Minister for Transport in Canberra or the Minister for Urban and Regional Development in Canberra, or in their departments. The fact is that a great deal of expertise has been built up by local authorities in the handling of this motor car problem in the cities of Australia. If the Minister for Transport thinks that he can go to Sydney or Melbourne and suddenly cure all their problems with a miserable Bill relating to urban transport, such as we saw come into this House a few months ago, he has another think coming. The fact is that he cannot do it. The Opposition accepts the amendment in order to expedite this Bill. But again I say that I am nervous about the attitude of the Minister for Transport in this matter. When similar legislation comes before us in 3 years time we will be looking at the history of the Minister’s intrusion into local government matters in the cities of Australia.

Mr Peacock:

– We will be handling that legislation.

Mr NIXON:

– I probably will be the Minister; so the States again will be able to look to me for co-operation, in the good old fashion style that we had, in getting these things cured. As for the Minister for Transport using the experience of Los Angeles and pretending that in 5 minutes he is going to solve the problem, I believe he has another think coming. It will take a great deal of co-operation with local government bodies, city authorities and the State governments to cure this problem. To pretend that all wisdom resides in the Minister for Transport in Canberra is nonsense. I think the Minister will find that out in due course. If he does not cure the problem he will be held responsible, and I will be the first to point the finger at him. We expect him to cure it and not just talk about it. He has been doing enough talking about this Bill. We expect this problem to be cured. One other aspect of this Bill needs to be tidied up. I will be moving an amendment to clause 3 of the Bill in order to confine the definition of urban arterial roads. This is involved in our acceptance of the amendment moved by the Minister for Transport.

Mr UREN:
Minister for Urban and Regional Development · Reid · ALP

– Briefly, the point made by the Minister for Transport (Mr Charles Jones) was that whilst this Bill was being debated in another place we made a statement clarifying the proposed authority of the Minister for Transport. This amendment conforms with that statement. The important principle that we are standing by is contained in clause 4(1) and clause 1 1 of the original Bill. We have accepted the clarification by the Opposition spokesman on transport matters, the honourable member for Gippsland (Mr Nixon), but we are concerned basically with urban arterial roads and urban sub-arterial roads because it is on those highways where major traffic congestion and other problems have occurred. Both the Minister for Transport and I when in Opposition continually pointed out the social, economic and environmental aspects of the destruction of many areas through the upgrading of arterial roads and the building of freeways. For many years we have condemned the radial road systems of the States. They have destroyed many inner suburbs of both Sydney and Melbourne. This has been a consistent policy adopted by the Minister for Transport and me.

When we came into power we sought from the Commonwealth Bureau of Roads information as to whether there had been any study of the environmental, social and economic aspects of freeways. No study at all had been carried out during 23 years of mismanagement by honourable members opposite. From the Bureau’s report we formulated our policies. The previous Government made money available to the States for projects which, in fact, destroyed completely some inner suburbs, particularly Carlton and Collingwood in Melbourne and Glebe and Leichhardt in Sydney. Now we are finding that even the middle class supporters of the Liberal Party in the northern suburbs of Sydney are opposing the extension of the Warringah Expressway. This legislation gives the Minister for Transport and the Australian Government authority over investment not only on inner city freeways but also on all freeways because each freeway must be judged on its merits. The honourable member for Parramatta (Mr Ruddock) was concerned that we should ever have the legislative power to do this; now he says that we have to do it by persuasion. But how can we persuade some people who are committed to dogma that was set down a quarter of a century ago? There are engineers who want to create monuments to themselves. It is for this reason that we have to determine a sane policy. We have to take into account the social, economic and environmental aspects of freeways.

I welcome the rather regressive attitude of the Opposition in the past to inner city freeways and freeways generally. In some cases freeways are an asset to our transport system, but they have to be integrated into our overall transport pattern. Thank goodness that at last after so many years those dull brains on the Opposition benches are now recognising that we must control investment on inner city freeways and selected freeways in other parts of our cities.

Mr SNEDDEN:
Leader of the Opposition · Bruce

– In some ways I will do what has been done by the Minister for Transport (Mr Charles Jones) and the Minister for Urban and Regional Development (Mr Uren), and that is to go beyond the specific clause that we have in front of us. I think that it is necessary to do so in order to put the matter in its total perspective. What needs to be understood by this Committee and by the persons outside this chamber who are concerned about expenditure on roads in Australia is the tremendous job that has been done by the Opposition in this chamber and by the Opposition in the Senate because if this Bill had gone through as it was presented to this chamber- and by the march of numbers the Government was determined that the Bill would go through in that form- quite clearly it would have been a bad Bill. The reason it is not a bad Bill, although it is not the best Bill, is because of the action that was taken by the Opposition in the Senate.

I am sick and tired of hearing tales about the Opposition in the Senate being obstructive. The fact is that the Opposition in the Senate is constructive. There has not been a single occasion on which a Bill that has been amended by the action of the Opposition in this House or by the action of the Opposition in the Senate has not become a better Bill. When the Trade Practices Bill was introduced into this chamber in the last session before the last Federal election, the Government said that the Bill had to be passed immediately. We were not prepared to be intimidated. When the Government reintroduced the Trade Practices Bill after the last Federal election it brought in the Bill with 109 amendments to it. As a result of the efforts of my colleague the honourable member for Wentworth (Mr Ellicott) and the Opposition in the Senate, a further 24 amendments were made to the Bill. So more than 130 amendments were made to the Trade Practices

Bill, and it is a much better Bill than it was when it was first introduced into the Parliament. We were always in favour of stronger trade practices legislation, but without our efforts the Trade Practices Bill would have been a bad Bill. I have had enough of this obstruction talk.

Now I come to the Roads Grants Bill. There are 2 Bills dealing with roads. I remind honourable members that the Minister for Transport, when referring to the Roads Grants Bill, said: ‘If you do not pass it as it is, there will be no money at all’. We were supposed to be intimidated by that statement. We were not intimidated because we were determined to make it a better Bill. Now there is the prospect that this Bill will pass this chamber and then the Senate as a much better piece of legislation than it was when it was presented to the Parliament. The first point that needs to be made is that under the terms of the legislation as it was originally introduced, there was a belief by the Labor Government that all wisdom centred here in Canberra, and the Minister or his delegate was given certain powers. His ‘delegate’ meant a public servant. Honourable members opposite do not have so much confidence in their public servants when they talk about the Treasury; in fact, they are making the Treasury the whipping boy for everything that they do wrong. Yet under this legislation as originally presented an unidentified person- a public servant- was going to have the right to supervise and audit the policy decisions of State governments and local governments.

Mr Innes:

– What were they doing under your Government? The same thing.

Mr SNEDDEN:

-Listen, Ted, you have had a bad run since you have been here; I suggest that you be quiet.

Mr Innes:

– What about - -

Mr SNEDDEN:

– If you do not keep quiet I will tell you the way in which the honourable member for Kooyong (Mr Peacock) has described you.

THE CHAIRMAN (Mr Scholes)-Order! I suggest that honourable members should debate the clauses of the Bill that are before us, and that if they wish to engage in other forms of conversation they do so outside the chamber.

Mr SNEDDEN:

– I would be terrified of his language. We were determined that we would remove the capacity of a public servant in Canberra to supervise the policy decisions of State governments and local governments. We have succeeded in that. We were also determined to expunge from the record all reference to the

Minister for DURD- the Department of Urban and Regional Development. We have heard him intrude in this debate and have learned what extraordinary views he has got about the road transport system in Australia and especially in the urban areas. Thank goodness that although he could come into the debate he cannot stand over poor Charlie Jones and make Charlie Jones do things that Charlie does not want to do. Charlie Jones has got enough pressure on him from Mr Virgo of South Australia. We already know how many times ‘expletive deleted’ occurred in the conservation between Mr Virgo and Charlie. Actually what Charlie said to Al Grassby in Cabinet is rather like the language he used to Mr Virgo during the telephone conversation that he had about this very matter. Liberal governments or Liberal-Country Party coalition governments, unlike Labor governments, are willing to stand up, be counted by their electors, take their decisions and answer for them. They do not believe that a public servant with a nice view overlooking Lake Burley Griffin knows how to control roads in Sydney, Parramatta, Carlton, Melbourne or anywhere else. We were determined to achieve that. We have achieved it.

I want to pay public tribute not only to the honourable member for Gippsland (Mr Nixon) and his committee but also to every senator on the Opposition side who was prepared to take the criticism that was spread far and wide that they were being obstructive. I hope that the media, which said that they were obstructive, will now pay tribute to the Opposition senators for achieving a better Bill. It has been acknowledged not only by the Minister for Transport but also by other members of the Cabinet that it is a better Bill. The only person who has a different view is the Minister for Urban and Regional Development who has been left out. His own colleagues wiped him out. Poor old Tom, he has got no say in the matter, and I think that is of great advantage to the people of Australia.

What we were determined to do was to take out this supervisory capacity which the public servant would have had. We know that the Minister for Transport would be too busy solving the problems of Tasmania to be concerned about roads through Carlton, Glebe, Leichhardt or wherever it might be. The Minister would have left it to the public servants. The Opposition was determined to take that provision out of the Bill. There are 4 categories of roads- the rural local, the rural arterial, the urban local and the urban arterial. The Government’s sticking point is on urban arterial roads. It has abandoned its claim in the other 3 areas and I am glad about that. But the Government is still left with urban arterial roads. In relation to urban arterial roads it is perfectly clear that before the Government can do anything in that field or before it can obstruct things being done it has to have the approval of the State governments. In order to do something the Government has to have the agreement of the State governments. In that sense, it is a proper resolution of the problem. There will have to be a co-operative effort between the Commonwealth Government and State governments which is something for which we have always argued and which we have now achieved.

If the Federal Government thinks that it can ride roughshod over the States it has another think coming. The States will not let it do so.

We of the Opposition are committed to a federal system in Australia and believe there is a role for the States. We will stand with the State governments on this matter. On every occasion when legislation comes before this House, in our policy committees, in our joint shadow ministry and in our joint party room we examine each piece of legislation and ask: ‘Is the principle offensive?’. If the principle is offensive we ask the second question: ‘Is it reversible when we get into government?’. Those are the criteria on which we operate. We have so operated consistently and will continue to do so. In this case the principle of the Commonwealth still having a supervisory role over the States in relation to arterial roads in urban areas -

The CHAIRMAN (Mr Scholes:

-Order! The right honourable member’s time has expired.

Mr Snedden:

– I take my second period now.

The CHAIRMAN:

– If no one else rises, the Leader of the Opposition may speak again. As no one else has risen, I call the Leader of the Opposition.

Mr SNEDDEN:
Leader of the Opposition · Bruce

– We will reverse the position when we come into office. The principle is bad. It is reversible. When we come into office we will reverse it. In the meantime the States have their power. If they choose not to co-operate with the Federal Government because the Federal Government is making errors the program will be at a standstill. There will have to be a reconciliation. That is what we want. We believe that State governments and local authorities are in a far better position to decide whether a freeway should go through a certain area and what should be the nature of the freeway. There has been a lot of emotional talk about freeways, such as that coming from the Minister for Transport (Mr Charles Jones), who talks about Los Angeles. Everybody knows that in Los Angeles the authorities went far too far. We can see what happened there and we can decide it will not happen in Australian capital cities. But to assume that the State governments will ipso facto make the same bad mistakes as were made there is nonsense. The fact is that the people who serve in State governments know exactly the feeling of the local community. They know also the need for transport in the local community. They can come to a proper reconciliation. That is the way it should be.

I make it clear that we do not accept as correct the statement by the Minister for Urban and Regional Development (Mr Uren) that freeways have destroyed Carlton. That is nonsense. I happen to know Carlton very well. I often have lunch there with my friends in the Italian and Greek communities. They are fine people who enjoy living in Carlton. Carlton is a suburb which is blossoming and blooming. We want it to do that. That is part of our policy and we will achieve it. But when the Minister suggests that the area is being destroyed by freeways he is only illustrating that he has never been there and has received wrong advice about it. We have to realise that there are a lot of people who need to get to their place of work, visit their friends, have social intercourse or whatever it is, who need traffic ways which will get them from point A to point B in a minimum of time in safety. That is our purpose. We do not want freeways to mar the landscape or the cityscape. We accept that progress must come, but there is no reason why progress must be ugly and must obstruct the natural advantage and development of Australian people. A reconciliation can come. If the Commonwealth provides money, fine. It needs to have a say in it, but it cannot have a veto power that enables it to say that the States are wrong and the Commonwealth will not let the States do what they want to do.

This Bill is a much better Bill than it was when originally introduced. I pay tribute to the Minister for Transport for not being as obstinate as originally he sounded as though he would be. I also pay a tribute in advance for what I expect will be his course of action in relation to negotiations between the Commonwealth Government and the States. Now that we have taken out of the Bill the provision about his delegate, the public servant, it is now his personal responsibility to reach reconciliation with the State governments. If he fails it will be his fault If there is no upgrading of urban transport it will be his fault, not the fault of the States. He has personal responsibility for it. Knowing the extreme responsibility that he has, I thank him in advance for the kindness that he will show in recognising that people in urban areas want rapid, safe transport. If he makes a mess of it the honourable member for Gippsland (Mr Nixon) and I will be on his wheel along with all States. We hope he will be able to approach his responsibility in a far more diplomatic way than he has approached so many of the industrial problems with which he has had to deal.

Mr Charles Jones:

– You disagree with my actions in industrial affairs, do you?

Mr SNEDDEN:

-The honourable gentleman has asked me whether I disagree with his actions. The answer is yes, I do disagree because he shows himself to be a man convinced of his own lightness above all things. It was a strange departure for him in relation to this legislation. I congratulate him for it He will be a far better Minister if he continues to take this attitude in the future.

Mr DONALD CAMERON:
GRIFFITH, QUEENSLAND · LP

– I wish to raise a matter of privilege.

The CHAIRMAN (Mr Scholes:

-Order! The honourable gentleman can raise a matter of privilege only in the House. He can move that the Committee report progress.

Mr DONALD CAMERON:
GRIFFITH, QUEENSLAND · LP

– I cannot hear you, Sir.

The CHAIRMAN:

– The honourable gentleman, having indicated his wish to raise a matter of privilege, can do so only if the Committee agrees to report progress and he will have to move accordingly.

Mr SNEDDEN:
Leader of the Opposition · Bruce

– I move:

The CHAIRMAN:

– The question is: ‘That progress be reported’. Those of that opinion say aye, to the contrary no. I think the noes have it.

Mr Snedden:

– The ayes have it.

Mr Wentworth:

– I raise a point of order. I draw the attention of the Committee to the terms of standing order 95 which, in part, reads: … but if the matter is raised in committee of the whole House, the Chairman shall leave the Chair -

I emphasise the words, ‘shall leave the Chair’ - on an order to report progress.

The CHAIRMAN:

– The question before the Chair is that progress be reported. If that motion is carried that will constitute an order to report progress and that is the process I am going through now. No point of order is involved. The Committee will divide. The point of order was taken after the call for a division. A division is required, it is not?

Mr Snedden:

– Yes.

Question put:

That progress be reported.

The Committee divided. (The Chairman-Mr G. G. D. Scholes)

AYES: 44

NOES: 54

Majority……. 10

AYES

NOES

Question so resolved in the negative.

Mr CHARLES JONES:
Minister for Transport · Newcastle · ALP

- Mr Chairman, we have just heard one of the typical rubbishing speeches of the right honourable the Leader of the Opposition (Mr Snedden). I do not know where he ever got the ‘right honourable’. He just made some very strong accusations against my friend the honourable member for Melbourne (Mr Innes) and said that he would disclose what the honourable member for Kooyong (Mr Peacock) had told him about the honourable member. I am saying now to the Leader of the Opposition that he is a liar because -

The CHAIRMAN (Mr Scholes:

-Order! The Minister will withdraw that remark.

Mr CHARLES JONES:

-I withdraw that. He handles the truth most carelessly because, while the Leader of the Opposition was speaking, the honourable member for Kooyong came round to this side of the table and he and the honourable member for Melbourne were having a great joke about it, during which time the honourable member for Kooyong said ‘I did not say anything about you’.

Mr Snedden:

– I was talking about the freeway.

Mr CHARLES JONES:

-Let us get the facts. This is typical of the rotten statement the Leader of the Opposition made in this place one day when he alleged that I had attacked the honourable member for Dawson, Dr Patterson. Now he has switched it, saying that I was alleged to have attacked the former honourable member for Riverina. In both cases it was not true and it was just typical of the despicable animal that you are. (Honourable members interjecting)-

The CHAIRMAN:

– Order! I suggest that the Minister confine himself to the clause before the Chair.

Mr CHARLES JONES:

-Mr Chairman, these were statements made by the Leader of the Opposition.

Mr Killen:

– On a point of order, the language used by the Minister is completely unparliamentary and unacceptable. I ask that it be withdrawn.

Mr CHARLES JONES:

– What do you want withdrawn?

Mr Killen:

– You know perfectly well. You are not running the Newcastle charm school now.

The CHAIRMAN:

-I suggest that the honourable member, having taken his point of order, might stop debating the question. I suggest to the Minister that he withdraw the remarks that he made a moment ago.

Mr CHARLES JONES:

-That he is a despicable animal?

The CHAIRMAN:

– Yes. I suggest that that remark be withdrawn. If it is not withdrawn I will deal with the Minister.

Mr CHARLES JONES:

-I will withdraw it, Mr Chairman. Everyone knows just what I think of him.

Mr Snedden:

– Withdraw it.

Mr CHARLES JONES:

-I have withdrawn it, regretfully, but the Leader of the Opposition knows as well as I do what I think of him. Mr Chairman, the unprovoked attack that he made on the honourable member for Melbourne is typical of the indivdual that he is. I trust that the honourable member will deal with it in his own way. Also we had some remarks by the Leader of the Opposition about the support of his Party to the Trade Practices Bill when it was in government.

Mr Snedden:

– We supported it.

Mr CHARLES JONES:

-Of course honourable members opposite supported it. The then Government had a Bill that was not worth a peanut and had no teeth in it, because it was afraid that it might harm its wealthy supporters. But we put some teeth into it. That is why today it is a better Bill than the earlier Bill was. There was also a reference to an alleged conversation between Mr Geoff Virgo, the Minister for Transport in South Australia, and me. As to the eavesdropping that allegedly took place, once again the Leader of the Opposition handled the truth most carelessly. I cannot call him a liar, can I, Mr Chairman? He handled the truth most carelessly. I did not indulge in bad language over the phone to Mr Virgo.

Mr Nixon:

– He did to you.

Mr CHARLES JONES:

-He did not to me, either.

Mr Nixon:

– He said he did.

Mr CHARLES JONES:

-If he did, as among mates, I would take as much notice of it as I would if it were used by a lot of other people who are my friends. Mr Chairman, what we are concerned about and what we are trying to do in this Bill today is to act responsibly. We have due regard for the people. But the Liberal Party and the Country Party would go out of their way deliberately to lay them off and to sack them on the pretext that we are withholding money. The fact of the matter is that the Leader of the Opposition is in this place today for one reason only: Because he is frustrated and disappointed that the amendments are not being rejected by us. He would have loved us to have rejected them and thereby put innocent people in the position of being laid off.

Let us be quite clear about the matter, Mr Chairman. Before the amendments were debated in the other place I outlined very clearly the Government’s attitude. I pointed out that we had no intention whatsoever of dealing with rural arterial roads, other rural roads, other urban roads or the minor traffic engineering and road safety improvements program, and that all we were concerned about were the freeways. It is for that reason that I will be accepting the amendment which is to be moved by the honourable member for Gippsland. All we are concerned about are the freeways. We are not concerned about urban local roads or rural arterial roads. So let us be quite clear on that. We are not backing off. These amendments are completely in conformity with our attitude. The only difference is that if the provisions which the amendments will amend had remained in their original form the Bill would have been easier to handle. The Minister for Urban and Regional Development and I have been mates for 20 years. We are still mates. We will continue to work closely together on this Bill. So let there not be any illusions.

The Leader of the Opposition said that a miserable $32m had been provided last year for the upgrading of urban public transport. It is $32m more than the coalition parties opposite were prepared to make available when they were in government. During the 23 years in which they were in government they did not provide anything for the upgrading of urban public transport. They did not provide one cent for the upgrading of urban public transport. Despite that, the Leader of the Opposition had the audacity to come into this chamber this afternoon and talk about the ‘miserable $32m ‘ that we provided last year.

Mr Snedden:

– I did not say a word about that.

Mr Nixon:

– I did.

Mr CHARLES JONES:

-If it was not him it was the honourable member for Gippsland, which is more to the honourable member for Gippsland ‘s discredit because he was the responsible Minister in the former coalition government which did nothing about it. Honourable members opposite have talked about doing things. They could have acted when they were in government, but they did not. When the Minister for Urban and Regional Development and I were in Opposition we talked about doing something and we have done something since we came into government. That is the difference between those who sit on this side of the chamber and those who sit on the other side of the chamber. Honourable members opposite are gunnas’. They were always going to do something, but they never got around to doing it. We on this side of the chamber do what we say we are going to do. That is the difference between them and us.

The Leader of the Opposition made reference to the situation in Los Angeles. Of course, we know of the problems experienced in Los Angeles. I have experienced on a couple of occasions the smog that occurs there. I do not want to see any Australian cities experiencing the same conditions. For 23 years honourable members opposite did nothing about preventing Australia from experiencing the same conditions. They said that they were going to do something about it. As I said a moment ago, they are a team of ‘gunnas’. We have done something. That is the difference between honourable members opposite and members of the Government Party. For 23 years honourable members opposite did not even talk about it. For 23 years they did nothing about it. That is the difference between them and us. I am prepared to accept the responsibility if urban public transport is not improved. I am prepared to accept the responsibility for any charge in the future of not doing anything about it. But let me say that if the State governments will co-operate with the present Australian Government and if the State governments will allow the present Australian Government to expend money where it should be expended on their urban public transport systems the present Australian Government will do what it has set out to do, that is, provide a better system of public transport for the people of the cities of Australia.

The Leader of the Opposition also made reference to the situation that exists in such suburbs of Melbourne as Collingwood, Carlton and the like. The right honourable gentleman knows that the innards of the suburbs of Collingwood,

Carlton and the like are being torn to pieces by the construction of freeways. Let us get the facts clear. It is a pity that the Leader of the Opposition does not look at them. I believe that the proposition which has been put forward today by the Government is sound and logical and should be supported.

Motion (by Mr Nicholls) agreed to:

That the question be now put.

Original question resolved in the affirmative.

Mr CHARLES JONES:
Minister for Transport · Newcastle · ALP

– I move:

These 6 Senate amendments cover a number of matters. Amendments Nos 2, 3 and 4 delete the proposed role of the Minister for Urban and Regional Development in relation to urban local roads and urban arterial roads, including the approval of selected individual projects coming under the latter category. Amendment No. 5 makes the revocation of approval of particular projects conditional on obtaining Senate agreement. Amendments Nos 6 and 7 remove the power of the Treasurer to advance funds to the extent that he is satisfied that such funds are required by the States and to obtain certain information in regard to the administration of the Act. The provisions covered by these amendments as originally drafted were logical. They were there to meet particular needs. However, we will not let their deletion prevent the legislation coming into operation as quickly as possible. It is in this spirit that we again agree to the amendments, knowing that this action will ensure the successful passage of the legislation and its operation.

Mr NIXON:
Gippsland

-Once again I am delighted that the Minister for Transport (Mr Charles Jones) should be generous enough to accept the amendments which were moved in this House and which were passed in the Senate. The Roads Grants Bill is much clearer and much cleaner. There is much less administrative difficulty for all those people outside who have to work with the Department of Transport in the administration of its functions. The removal from the Bill of the Minister for Urban and Regional Development makes the position much simpler. At least now we know where the buck rests. As the Bill was previously drafted the States might have a proposition which would have to come to the Government. They would not be sure who would be in charge. When they read the Bill they would not have been sure whether they had to go to the Minister for Urban and Regional Development or his delegate or to the Minister for Transport or his delegate. At least the States know that the buck rests with the Minister for Transport. They can look to him for a solution. The Minister can be held politically responsible for his failures. As I said earlier, the administrative agreement between the Minister for Transport, the Minister for Urban and Regional Development and their Departments is a matter for normal administration between departments. The difficulty between the 2 Ministers should not be enshrined in legislation. The State governments are not interested in whether it is the Minister for Urban and Regional Development or the Minister for Transport who is responsible. Therefore we want to see that the States know where to go and have the matter taken from there. I am also pleased to see that the Minister has accepted the amendment which removes the Federal Treasurer from this Bill. Clause 10 (1) (c) stated: . . . if the Treasurer so directs, as soon as practicable after such date as the Treasurer specifies, a statement in writing setting out such other information in relation to amounts expended or set aside for expenditure by the State on road works or in relation to expenditure by a municipal, shire or other local authority on road works, as the Treasurer specifies . . .

That was an extraordinary provision which gave the Federal Treasurer the right to intrude in the expenditure programs of every local government authority throughout Australia. Again I am delighted that the Minister has accepted the deletion of that provision. A more ridiculous proposition to involve the Federal Treasurer in such a situation could not be thought of or entertained. The Minister has been generous enough to accept that amendment. I wish he would be equally as generous in relation to the role which the Senate played in getting a good Bill. This is not a case of obstructionism. Nor, as the Minister claims in his letter which went to all local government bodies, is it a case of the Opposition frustrating the passage of this Bill. I have a copy of the letter which the Minister sent at public expense to all local government bodies throughout Australia. The Opposition wrote to all local government bodies too, but it did it at its own expense and not at public expense. I would like to quote what the Minister said in his letter. He stated:

Although the Bills have passed through the House of Representatives without amendment they may be delayed in the Senate by the Opposition who are seeking substantial amendments. Such action can only lead to frustration of the Government’s transport policy and may completely dry up the flow of Australian Government road funds to the States and most importantly to local authorities.

Further on he stated:

These Bills are an integral part of the Government’s overall policies for transport and urban development. The Australian Government must be more closely associated with decision making in these matters if it is to ensure that Australia’s transport problems are dealt with properly. The Opposition is trying to stifle these initiatives even though all 3 levels of Government must participate in the solution of existing transport problems. In the short term, of course, their opposition can only lead to difficulties in the continuing provision of funds to local councils.

That is proven to be nonsense by the very action the Government has taken in accepting the amendments.

The one point that I want to make clear- I make this not only to the Minister but to the Prime Minister as well- is the disappointment that local government bodies have expressed to me, and which I outlined in my second reading speech, at the level of funds being made available for the different categories of roads. The smoke screen put up by the Government in regard to national highways has not hidden from local government bodies the simple fact that the level of funds made available to them for their road making activities has been seriously depleted. One of the difficulties that we have as an opposition is that we are unable to redirect funds to the priorities that we believe are necessary or allocate more funds to these areas. We look forward to the day when we get back into government when we can make sure that local government bodies are properly treated in this area. I am delighted to see that we now have a much simpler Bill as a result of the Government accepting the amendments.

Mr CHARLES JONES:
Minister for Transport · Newcastle · ALP

– Briefly I want to make the point that the Government has no objection to the amendments. I have indicated that it accepts them, I am always amused at the accusations and charges that are made about this dictatorial centralist Canberra Government. A delegation made up of the President, the Senior VicePresident and the Secretary of the Local Government Association saw me recently and complained bitterly about the manner in which the State government was withholding funds from local government. The honourable member for Shortland (Mr Morris) who is an alderman in the Newcastle City Council, at least for another couple of weeks until an election is held -

Mr Nixon:

– He will go out then.

Mr CHARLES JONES:

-He is not standing. He cannot do the 2 jobs.

Mr Nixon:

– He squibbed it.

Mr CHARLES JONES:

-He did not squib it. He would have been elected if he had stood, have no fear about that. But he has had enough sense, like I had, to decide to get out because one cannot do the 2 jobs. But the honourable member could tell the Committee of his experiences in recent months of the standover tactics of the New South Wales Government in regard to the Newcastle City Council. The Council is concerned with 2 projects, one of which is still being held up as a result of the State Government’s attempts to frustrate. This is a beautiful example of that centralist Sydney Government which dictates to the local councils and to the people of New South Wales. The honourable member for Robertson (Mr Cohen) could tell the Committee the same story about the way the people of Wyong have been dictated to by the State Government. He could tell honourable members of the way in which roads are being built alongside schools. So do not let us start talking about dictatorial government. The New South Wales dictatorial Liberal-Country Party Government is as bad as any of them. So let us stop trying to pull one another’s legs here today and get on with the job. We have a Bill to put through this place which is in the interests of the people of this country.

Mr RUDDOCK:
Parramatta

-Mr Chairman -

Motion (by MrNicholls) agreed to:

That the question be now put.

Original question resolved in the affirmative.

Amendments agreed to.

Mr CHARLES JONES:
Minister for Transport · Newcastle · ALP

– I move:

As I foreshadowed in speaking to the first amendment, the Government is not prepared to accept the Senate’s amendment No. 8. Clause 1 1 is related to clause 4, sub-clause ( 1 ) and provides for the repayment of the annual amount provided under this Act where a State or local government carries out work from its own resources which is not approved. In accordance with the Government’s approach in limiting clause 4 ( 1 ) to urban arterial roads it is suggesting an amendment to clause 1 1 which has a corresponding effect. The acceptance of this amendment, together with that to clause 4(1), will put the Government’s position on approving State and local government road programs beyond doubt. This amendment, if accepted, will confine the operations of this clause to urban arterial roads. When speaking to the first amendment I outlined at some length the Government’s case on the need to be involved in decision making on urban arterial roads. Without going over them again, those arguments relate to this particular amendment.

Mr NIXON:
Gippsland

-I have made my position and that of the Opposition clear in respect of this amendment. The Opposition accepts the amendment in the spirit in which the Minister has moved it and it is subject to the acceptance of a further amendment which I shall be moving later on.

Question resolved in the affirmative.

Amendment agreed to.

Mr NIXON:
Gippsland

– I wish to move an amendment to the definition of ‘urban arterial road ‘ in clause 3 which reads: urban arterial road’ means a road or proposed road in an urban area that is for the time being declared by the Minister to be an urban arterial road, or urban sub-arterial road, for the purposes of this Act;

I move:

The Opposition is concerned because it appears from our reading of the Bill that the Minister can, for any purpose at all, declare a road to be an urban arterial road, and that would prevent the State proceeding with any development it might have in mind for that road. To take a hypothetical case, the Minister for Urban and Regional Development (Mr Uren), leaning on his friend the Minister for Transport (Mr Charles Jones), might say: ‘I want all those roads through the Dandenongs declared urban arterial roads so that no progress can be made on the upgrading of the roads even though the local people may want it. ‘ That is an extreme case. It is highly unlikely.

The amendment expresses the sort of concern we have as an Opposition. The Minister for Transport has been good enough to accept a closer definition of an urban arterial road. The acceptance of my amendment simply means that the States know full well that the road to be declared an urban arterial road now has to meet the criteria as laid down in the Report on Roads in Australia- that is, a Class 6 or Class 7 roadwhereas previously the Bill could have been read to include any urban local road that, for any reason, the Minister could declare to be an urban arterial road. I thank the Minister for his cooperation in accepting that amendment because I believe that it will overcome a lot of the fears presently held by the States.

Mr CHARLES JONES:
Minister for Transport · Newcastle · ALP

– The Government accepts the amendment moved by the honourable member for Gippsland (Mr Nixon). As he says, it tightens up the definition of urban arterial and urban sub-arterial roads. It puts us in the position where we want to be, in control of freeway construction. That is all we want. I accept his assurances that if we should find any bugs when we look at it more closely- we have had only a short time to look at it- he will arrange for consideration to be given to it in another place.

Amendment agreed to.

Resolution reported; report adopted.

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SPECIAL ADJOURNMENT

Motion (by Mr Daly) proposed:

That the House, at its rising, adjourn until Tuesday, 17 September 1 974, at15 minutes past 2 o ‘clock p.m. unless Mr Speaker shall, by telegram addressed to each member of the House, fix an earlier day of meeting.

Mr SPEAKER:

– I call the honourable member for Mackellar.

Mr Daly:

– I have another motion.

Mr WENTWORTH:
Mackellar

-Mr Speaker, I have the call.

Mr SPEAKER:

-The honourable member for Mackellar is speaking on the first motion.

Mr WENTWORTH:

-On a point of misrepresentation, Mr Speaker -

Motion (by Mr Nicholls) proposed:

That the question be now put.

Mr DONALD CAMERON:
GRIFFITH, QUEENSLAND · LP

– This is a matter of privilege.

Mr WENTWORTH:

-Mr Speaker -

Mr Daly:

– I wish to move a motion, Mr Speaker.

Mr SPEAKER:

-I have put the motion.

Mr DONALD CAMERON:
GRIFFITH, QUEENSLAND · LP

– We want a division.

Question put:

That the question be now put.

The House divided. (Mr Speaker- Hon. J. F. Cope)

AYES: 56

NOES: 45

Majority……. 11

In division:

AYES

NOES

Question so resolved in the affirmative.

Original question resolved in the affirmative.

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LEAVE OF ABSENCE

Motion (by Mr Daly) proposed:

That leave of absence be given to every member of the House of Representatives from the determination of this sitting of the House to the date of its next sitting.

Mr SPEAKER:

– I call the honourable member for Griffith on a matter of privilege.

Mr DONALD CAMERON:
GRIFFITH, QUEENSLAND · LP

-Mr Speaker- Oh, I am sorry.

Mr SPEAKER:

-The question is that the motion be agreed to.

Mr Killen:

– I have an amendment that I wish to move, Mr Speaker. I wish to move that the question be amended to provide that so much of the Standing Orders be suspended as would -

Motion (by Mr Nicholls) agreed to:

That the question be now put.

Original question resolved in the affirmative.

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ADJOURNMENT

The Parliament: Privilege- Members’ Travel Arrangements

Motion (by Mr Daly) proposed:

That the House do now adjourn.

Mr SPEAKER:

-Order! I have already given the call to the honourable member for Griffith on a matter of privilege.

Mr DONALD CAMERON:
GRIFFITH, QUEENSLAND · LP

-I refer to Erskine May’s ‘Parliamentary Practice’, 18th edition, page 144, under the title ‘Obstructing Members of Either House in the Discharge of Their Duty’ and a later reference to the molestation of members while in the execution of their duties. Three or four days ago members of Parliament were advised by you that the Parliament would be sitting today. We were also advised through our Whips’ offices that there would be an airline strike from midnight last night until midnight tonight. For this reason all members of the Parliament endeavoured to be in Canberra last night. In Brisbane myself and seven Liberal and Country Party colleagues were confronted with a situation at the Brisbane airport where neither Trans Australia Airlines nor Ansett planes were departing for Canberra or Sydney. As a result of this, and the likely delays and our concern that we would not be here for the meeting of the Parliament we rang the transport officer in Canberra, who advised us later that the Minister now at the table, the Minister for Services and Property (Mr Daly), had denied us special transport considerations. I then rang him, out of concern that eight members of this Parliament would not be able to be present. Eight members were being stopped from being present. I rang him personally and asked him in view of all the industrial strife presently with us in Australia if he would consider giving us 2 hire cars, if necessary, to take the party from Sydney to Canberra. The Minister has indulged in this conduct of contempt of the Parliament under the heading of molestation of members while in the execution of their duty because he refused the eight of us any consideration in relation to special transport being made available to get us here. I know that this afternoon a great number of us are returning on VIP flights. The section of May’s ‘Parliamentary Practice’ to which I draw your attention is on page 144. It says:

The Commons, on 1 2 April 1 733 and the Lords on 1 7 May 1763, resolved, ‘That the assaulting, insulting or menacing any Member of this House in his coming to or going from the House, or upon the account of his behaviour in Parliament, is an high infringement of the privilege of this House, a most outrageous and dangerous violation of the rights of Parliament and an high crime and misdemeanour’; and on 6 June 1 780 the Commons resolved, ‘That it is a gross breach of the privilege of this House for any person to obstruct and insult the Members of this House in the coming to, or going from, the House . . .

Mr Berinson:

- Mr Speaker, I raise a point of order.

Mr DONALD CAMERON:
GRIFFITH, QUEENSLAND · LP

-We were placed in a situation -

Mr SPEAKER:

-Order! A point of order has been taken.

Mr Berinson:

– Nothing that the honourable member for Griffith has indicated to the House matches in any way the sections of ‘May’ on which he is trying to rely. There has been no suggestion of obstruction in anything that he has said. If anything, there may have been a lack of facilitation but that is very far from obstruction. From his own record of the events nothing was done to prevent those members from making their own arrangements to reach here by exactly the same modes of transport as he wanted the Minister to supply. In the circumstances, it is improper that the House should allow the honourable member for Griffith to continue on the basis of a claim of privilege.

Mr SPEAKER:

– I remind the honourable member for Griffith that privilege is a serious matter, and so far he has not proved that there has been a breach of privilege under any circumstances. I ask him to deal with the subject matter in a direct way and to get to the point.

Mr DONALD CAMERON:
GRIFFITH, QUEENSLAND · LP

– I will. I am sorry that in your mind, Mr Speaker, I have not come to the crunch yet. I remind the honourable member for Perth (Mr Berinson) that the Government was able to supply a VIP aircraft to take the young Russian violinist to Singapore. I cannot see why special concessions cannot be extended to us.

What I am saying is that we were obstructed from getting here because we did not know where we were going, what time we were going to reach there or anything. We telephoned a request that, if necessary, cars be supplied to take us from Sydney to Canberra. Eventually we arrived in Sydney at about a quarter to ten. We were unsure, because of the industrial strife which presently racks this country, what tomorrow held. At that late hour we- 8 responsible members- decided that because the Minister would not help us we would put in the extra money ourselves and hire a car. The problem was that when we telephoned for hire cars we were told that one could not have one at the drop of a hat; one had to give more notice. Fortunately we were lucky. One car arrived at Canberra at 3.40 a.m. and the other at 4 a.m. The point is that, if because of the lateness of our arrival in Sydney no hire cars had been available, the Minister for Services and Property would have been a party to obstructing 8 Queenslanders from arriving for this sitting. Therefore, I suggest that he has committed a breach of privilege and is guilty of contempt.

I do not wish to indulge in personalities. The fondness that the Minister for Services and Property holds for me is recognised and well known by all. It is reciprocated in our mutual admiration society. But the fact is that because of malice, bitchiness and smallmindedness his mind was clouded with small issues which prevented him from seeing the main issue; that is, the importance of ensuring that members who have been summoned to attend Parliament are able to arrive in time for the sittings. It is all right for him to stand up and to say from his Party’s point of view that all the Labor Party members are here. But they had special information and knowledge. This is indicated by the fact that all except 2 Labor Party members were stopped from going overseas. I believe that one travelled to Noumea and was brought back. Further, they were told to come to Canberra on Wednesday night. Members of the Opposition did not foresee any situation such as that which occurred again yesterday. Otherwise, we in the Liberal and Country Party teams would have come to Canberra in the same way as members of the Labor Party did.

We were told by the news services that there would be industrial strife in the airlines from midnight last night until midnight tonight. We all know that tonight we are going home in VIP aircraft because of industrial strife. It is impossible for members of this Parliament, or any Australian citizens, to predict with certainty what will happen next in Australia when 43,000 people have been on strike every single working day so far this year. I believe that in view of the situation the Minister should have extended this consideration to us. But instead he said no. My colleagues, the honourable members for Lilley (Mr Kevin Cairns), Ryan (Mr Drury), Cowper (Mr Ian Robinson), Petrie (Mr Hodges), Wide Bay (Mr Millar) and Fisher (Mr Adermann), were stopped from getting here.

Let me refer to another case. My friends, the honourable member for Baker (Dr Forbes) and the honourable member for Boothby (Mr McLeay) from South Australia, also are not with us today. The Minister for Services and Property has carried on frequently about the fact that Opposition members are not here and has said that this is an indication that they do not care. The fact is that in Adelaide last night the airlines offered only one seat on an aircraft to the honourable member for Curtin (Mr Garland), who is the Opposition Whip, the honourable member for Boothby and the honourable member for Barker. Therefore those 3 honourable members had to make a decision as to which of them would take that seat. This is a further example of obstruction in preventing members from attending this Parliament. I hope that in the next few days when you consider the point I have raised, Mr Speaker, you will recognise that the Minister for Services and Property has perhaps unconsciously- he has done it whether consciously or not- created a situation which constitutes a breach and contempt of the privileges of this Parliament. I know that you are a fair man and I know that you realise that I am a member of the Privileges Committee. If I did not believe that what I have stated constitutes a contempt of the parliamentary system I would not have bothered to raise this very vexed question. I am pleased that my 7 colleagues who travelled with me from Brisbane were conscientious enough in the middle of the night to make a decision to come to Canberra knowing that we would be arriving as the sun was rising. We made that decision because we have a duty to be here despite the obstructions which might be placed in front of us.

Mr Wentworth:

- Mr Speaker -

Mr SPEAKER:

-Order! There is no motion before the Chair.

Mr DONALD CAMERON:
GRIFFITH, QUEENSLAND · LP

-Under standing order 951 move:

That this is a matter of privilege for your consideration.

Mr SPEAKER:

-In regard to that matter, I would like to make it perfectly clear that a matter of privilege has been raised but it cannot proceed and be given precedence of other business unless, in the opinion of the Chair, a prima facie case of breach of privilege has been made out. In my opinion, a prima facie case of breach of privilege has not been made out, nor was the matter raised at the earliest opportunity. It should have been raised, for example, immediately after prayers this morning.

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ADJOURNMENT

Members’ Travel Arrangements

Mr DALY:
Minister for Services and Property · Grayndler · ALP

– I move:

Mr Wentworth:

- Mr Speaker, a question of misrepresentation.

Mr SPEAKER:
Mr Wentworth:

– I think it takes precedence.

Mr SPEAKER:

– Personal misrepresentation? The Minister is speaking to the motion.

Mr Wentworth:

- Mr Speaker -

Mr SPEAKER:

-Order! The honourable member will get a chance.

Mr DALY:

– I just want to take the opportunity to reply to a few of the comments made by the invisible man. We heard today of an honourable member who could not get to the Parliament and we heard a speech of an honourable member who evidently is not here. So we have just heard the speech which was not made. Let me put the record straight. The situation is that last Monday, I think it was, a telegram was sent from Mr Speaker to all honourable members advising them that this Parliament would meet today. Adequate time was given to honourable members to make preparations to come to this Parliament. Consequently Labor members, who have a most efficient and skilful Whip, were notified that Friday was the meeting day, that it was their responsibility to be here and that they should take into consideration matters which might arise in regard to transportation. Therefore, with their usual diligent attention to their parliamentary duties, Government members assembled in their masses without any special assistance from the Government in regard to transportation or anything of that kind. The fact that the Opposition has 2 crook Whips does not add to anything here. No special facilities were provided to Government members. They were all able to get here.

The situation now is that the honourable member for Griffith (Mr Donald Cameron) says that 8 Opposition members could not get here and were stopped from getting here. But every one of them is here today. I recollect that the honourable member did ring me and suggest that the Government might provide 2 hire cars to transport him and these 8 honourable members, whom he did not mention, from Sydney. The situation in the days of the Government which the honourable member for Griffith supported was that you could not get a car from the airport to the General Post Office or to come or go to the Parliament. Now, those things having been granted, he comes into this Parliament and criticises us for extravagance and the misuse of public funds. That is the contemptible approach he takes to the privileges of members.

I told the honourable member that I was never receptive to ideas from him because I do not appreciate people who take all the generous things that can be given and then abuse that privilege, but if other honourable members were interested and I thought that they were respectable decent types, probably suggestions could be considered. I said to the honourable member that as he had had adequate time to make preparations to get to this place and as he left it to the last minute because he was too lousy to spend money for a bed for a night in Canberra, it was not the responsibility of the Government of the public purse. It is his responsibility to be here, 2 or 3 days early if necessary. I will give the honourable member the good oil: Whether the Parliament is meeting or not I am not going to pay for his lack of foresight or lack of ability to get here. I am not going to put the public purse to expense for that reason.

The honourable member for Griffith said that this was an attempt to prevent honourable members opposite from getting here. Who would worry about the honourable member being here? He talked about obstruction. By heavens, honourable members opposite would know all about obstruction. That is why we are here today. The Government has been obstructed. The honourable member was not obstructed from getting here. The very fact that he is here proves that he was only trying to get here the the cheap way, at the expense of the Government or the taxpayers. Today he brought up this matter which Mr Speaker quite rightly described as just a grouch from somebody who left it too late to get here. The honourable member knew from the news services that there might be industrial trouble, that matters might go wrong, and things of that nature. Probably he could have got a lift in the VIP aircraft that the Leader of the Opposition (Mr Snedden) uses, if he had asked him, because he has not been averse to asking the Prime Minister (Mr Whitlam) for that privilege from time to time. The honourable member was not entitled to special transport. Like every other honourable member he had a responsibility to do the things necessary to get here on the day. He received adequate notice and there was no reason why he and other honourable members could not have been here a day before, or 2 days before, as many honourable members on this side of the Parliament were.

Another factor is involved in this matter. I know nothing of the people from Adelaide, the honourable members for Boothby (Mr McLeay) and Barker (Dr Forbes). They did not approach me personally and I do not know what their problem was. But they also had plenty of time to get here. If they left it to the last minute that is their responsibility. The matter raised by the honourable member is an excuse by the Opposition because today it could only rake up 47 members to come to this Parliament. The honourable member has put up this excuse to cover what is a glaring example of their neglect of duties by honourable members opposite in respect of their attendance in this Parliament.

The honourable member for Curtin (Mr Garland) this morning read a long motion and said that this meeting of the Parliament was put on to catch the enemy, the Opposition, short. This meeting today was called because of obstruction by Opposition members in another place. This Parliament is meeting because of obstruction. We are here today because of the obstruction of people in another place. All the arguments of honourable members opposite will not hold water and honourable members opposite know it for the simple reason, Mr Speaker, that we and everybody in the Parliament know that this Government gives to members opportunities to get here that were never given by other governments. In transport and other facilities they have never had it better. But I say, and it is not a threat but a statement of fact, that if the honourable member for Griffith continues to downgrade the facilities available to members of this Parliament and to endeavour to abuse them as he was going to do last night in order to get to this meeting of the Parliament, he cannot complain if the Government sees fit, in the interests of saving money and of restraint, to take a very strong approach to these matters and see that not one penny is wasted.

It is an amazing thing that a member of the Opposition, a member of a party that is preaching restraint- his Leader is screaming from the housetops that things must be restrainedwanted 2 hire cars at public expense to come here to his well paid and easy job in this Parliament. Mr Speaker, like you I dismiss the charge made by the honourable member for Griffith and I suggest that if he wants to do his parliamentary duties he should get here on time. Having said so much I move:

Mr SPEAKER:

– I promised to deal with a personal explanation pertaining to matters outside this House.

Mr WENTWORTH:
MACKELLAR, NEW SOUTH WALES · LP; IND LIB from Oct 1977

-! have been informed that the Australian Broadcasting Commission announcer during the division on my motion of dissent from your ruling referred to the Opposition’s ‘delaying tactics’ in this House. I think this is an utter misrepresentation. The Government called us together for certain business which has been concluded but the Opposition has tried all the time to bring before the House the things which should have been brought before it, namely, the economic and industrial situations. Everything that I have said -

Mr Daly:

– I rise to order.

Mr WENTWORTH:

-And everything I have done has been for that purpose.

Mr SPEAKER:

-I should like to inform the House that the Serjeant-at-Arms brought to my notice exactly what happened in relation to the Australian Broadcasting Commission broadcast. It is true that the ABC broadcaster said that there were delaying tactics. He has been instructed that in future he is not to give any opinions in regard to proceedings but just to do his job as it should be done.

The question is that the House do now adjourn.

Mr WENTWORTH:

-There are 2 matters, one involving the corruption of a Minister, which should be brought before this House. I shall speak to the Press afterwards since I am not allowed to speak in the House. It is absolutely disgraceful that the House -

Mr SPEAKER:

-Order! The honourable member will resume his seat.

Mr Wentworth:

– The House is a joke.

Mr SPEAKER:

-Order! I have not put the question. The question is that the House do now adjourn. Those of that opinion say ‘aye’, to the contrary ‘no ‘. I think the ayes have it.

Mr Wentworth:

– This is an absolute disgrace.

Mr SPEAKER:

-Order! The honourable gentleman will resume his seat.

Mr Wentworth:

– The House is adjourned.

Mr SPEAKER:

-Order! The honourable gentleman will resume his seat.

Mr Wentworth:

– It is an absolute disgrace, what has happened here.

Mr SPEAKER:
Mr Wentworth:

– There are 2 matters, one involving the corruption of a Minister which I have not been allowed - (Mr Speaker left the Chair)

House adjourned at 4.25 p.m.

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ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS UPON NOTICE

The following answers to questions upon notice were circulated:

Superannuation Schemes for Persons of Lower Medical Standard (Question No. 16)

Mr Snedden:

asked the Treasurer, upon notice:

  1. 1 ) Can he say how many superannuation funds in private industry or superannuation funds of State Governments contain separate provisions for superannuation entitlements of persons considered to be of lower medical standard.
  2. If so, to what extent (a) is provision made by way of a separate superannuation fund and (b) are such people incorporated in a single fund as in the proposed scheme for Australian public servants.
  3. For those schemes where this method is adopted, what time limit is placed on this category of person before they become entitled to normal superannuation eligibility.
Mr Crean:
Treasurer · MELBOURNE PORTS, VICTORIA · ALP

– The answer to the right honourable member’s question is as follows:

  1. 1 ) The information sought is not available for private sector schemes. All six State Governments have superannuation schemes that make separate provision for those employees considered to be of lower medical standard at entry to the scheme.

  2. (a) The Western Australia State Government Superannuation Scheme makes such a provision by way of a separate Provident Account the assets of which are held as a part of the State Superannuation Fund,

    1. All the other five State Government schemes provide for employees of lower medical standard to be included in a single scheme as in the proposed scheme for Australian public servants.
  3. The times at which members of the schemes referred to in 2 (b) become entitled to full superannuation eligibility are as follows:

New South Wales, Victoria- Attainment of age 60. Queensland, Tasmania- 20 years of scheme membership or age 60, whichever is the earlier.

South Australia- 14 years of scheme membership or age 60, whichever is the earlier.

Superannuation Schemes: Private Enterprise (Question No. 17)

Mr Snedden:

asked the Treasurer, upon notice:

  1. Can he say the extent to which superannuation schemes in private enterprise provide for the person to claim a lump sum on retirement.
  2. For those funds for which such a lump sum is available, can he say whether acceptance of it reduces the pension that would otherwise be payable or is the lump sum a refund of a contributor’s payments.
Mr Crean:
ALP

– The answer to the right honourable member’s question is as follows:

  1. 1 ) A survey examining the characteristics of 703 private sector superannuation schemes with a total membership of over 281,000 persons, undertaken in late 1972 by the then Department of Labour, obtained the following information in answers to questions about the form in which benefits were payable on normal retirement in schemes covered in the survey:
  1. The information obtained in the survey does not enable a precise answer to be given to this question.

Bush Fire Brigades (Question No. 18)

Mr Snedden:

asked the Minister for Services and Property, upon notice:

  1. 1 ) How many Government properties in nonmetropolitan areas are serviced by bush fire brigades.
  2. ) Where are the properties located.
Mr Daly:
ALP

– The answer to the right honourable member’s question is as follows:

To answer a question of such scope, fully and accurately, would take an inordinate amount of time and effort because:

Such information is not on record and is not readily available;

All Australian Government Departments would have to be consulted;

It would be necessary to establish whether each property is serviced by a bush fire brigade or an urban fire brigade. For example, in New South Wales alone, approximately 4,000 Australian Government properties are dispersed throughout the State and are serviced by numerous urban brigades and 2,485 bush lire brigades scattered throughout151 municipalities;

This problem is rendered more difficult by the fact that:

practices in this regard vary from State to State; and

the boundaries of the areas of responsibility of the different types of fire brigades do not necessarily follow any established demarcation line such as local government boundaries.

If the Leader of the Opposition would care to indicate the reason for the question I shall study the matter further to ascertain whether the inordinate amount of time and effort involved is warranted or, alternatively, to investigate whether there is some other way of assisting him in this matter.

Cockburn Sound: Naval Facilities (Question No. 19)

Mr Snedden:

asked the Minister for Defence, upon notice:

  1. 1 ) Is there an understanding with the British and United States Governments that their Forces will be able to use the naval facilities to be established at Cockburn Sound.
Mr Barnard:
Minister for Defence · BASS, TASMANIA · ALP

– The answer to the right honourable member’s question is as follows:

  1. 1 ) There are long-standing arrangements under which ships from the navies of friendly and allied countries visit each other’s ports and facilities, by permission in each case of the host Government. When the facility at Cockburn Sound is completed I would expect that under these arrangements there would be calls there too from time to time by ships from friendly and allied navies, including the USN and RN. No arrangements beyond this long-standing practice have been entered into or are contemplated.

North West Cape Communications Station (Question No. 20)

Mr Snedden:

asked the Minister for Defence, upon notice:

  1. What will be the total estimated annual cost to the Government as a result of the arrangements for the manning and administration of the North West Cape Communications Station following his negotiations in Washington, as announced on 10 January 1974.
Mr Barnard:
ALP

– The answer to the right honourable member’s question is as follows:

  1. 1 ) The total annual cost to the Australian Government for the manning and administration of the North West Cape facility is estimated at $600,000 of which $30,000 is directly attributable to the maintenance of Australian personnel at North West Cape. The remaining $550,000 is for the normal pay and allowances of the personnel located at the base.

Army Base: Western Australia (Question No. 23)

Mr Snedden:

asked the Minister for Defence, upon notice:

  1. 1 ) Did he state on 7 March 1 974 that no plan to establish an Army base in Western Australia is being considered by the Government.
  2. Did he also say recently in Western Australia that such a plan is in fact under consideration.
  3. What proposals are at present under consideration for Defence establishments or facilities in Western Australia.
  4. What stage has (a) consideration (b) planning or (c) establishment reached in each case.
Mr Barnard:
ALP

– The answer to the right honourable member’s question is as follows:

  1. 1 ) and (2) In my response to the question without notice asked by the honourable member for Stirling on 7 March 1974 (Hansard page 140) I indicated that there were no plans for development of an Army base as such in Western Australia. I made it quite clear that what was under consideration was the acquisition of a large training area in the vicinity of Yampi Sound as part of the Government’s policy in relation to the defence of continental Australia. The area would be used for Joint Service Advanced Tactical Training.

I personally inspected a possible location last March and any statements attributed to me recently in this regard refer to the acquisition of a training area. Some development would of course be necessary to provide facilities for training exercises.

  1. and (4) There are at present no proposals for new major Defence establishments in Western Australia but a number of existing facilities are being improved or modified in the course of the normal works program. Work is proceeding on the construction of the naval support facility on Garden Island in Cockburn Sound and present planning envisages completion by the end of 1978, except for the Armament Depot and Jetty and the large ships wharf. The expansion and redevelopment of Learmonth Airfield is also in hand and completion is scheduled for September 1974.

Immigration Planning Council (Question No. 24)

Mr Snedden:

asked the Minister for Labor and Immigration, upon notice:

  1. 1 ) Has the Immigration Planning Council recommended that the migrant intake be increased to 135,000.
  2. If so, has the Government agreed to this proposal; if not, why was the proposal rejected.
Mr CLYDE CAMERON:
HINDMARSH, SOUTH AUSTRALIA · ALP

– The reply to the right honourable member’s question is as follows:

  1. The Immigration Planning Council at its meeting on 18 March 1974 considered the labour market situation at that time and recommended an immigration program for 1974-75 based on a gross settler arrival figure of 135,000 persons.
  2. The program for 1973-74 was 1 10,000. The Government has announced that it will aim for a total intake of not more than 80,000 during the current financial year, of which assisted migration would be not more than 40,000. This is considered appropriate in the existing circumstances.

Illegal Immigrants (Question No. 25)

Mr Snedden:

asked the Minister for Labor and Immigration, upon notice:

  1. Did his predecessor state on 30 March 1974 that the Labor Government had inherited 18,000 illegal immigrants from the previous government.
  2. If so, how many of these were located in each State.
  3. What are the equivalent figures for each State now.
Mr CLYDE CAMERON:
HINDMARSH, SOUTH AUSTRALIA · ALP

– I am informed that the reply to the right honourable member’s question is as follows:

  1. to (3) Mr Grassby is reported as having said on 30 March that ‘the proposed deportations were part of the continual mopping-up operation of the 18,000 illegal residents the Government had inherited when it came to office’.

The figure of 18,000 was based on a departmental estimate of the number of persons who since 1 January 1965 had either entered or remained in Australia in circumstances under which they had become ‘prohibited immigrants’. Distribution by States is not available.

A revised estimate, as at 30 June 1 974, is 20,000-2 1 ,000.

Department of Social Security: Research Grants (Question No. 72)

Mr Snedden:

asked the Minister for Social Security, upon notice:

  1. 1 ) Will he provide a list of all grants, to any organisation or individual, that are provided from moneys appropriated to his Department, or authorities under his control, to undertake research.
  2. ) To what bodies have such moneys been advanced, and what was or is the nature of the research being undertaken as a result of the grants in each of the last 3 years.
Mr Hayden:
Minister for Social Security · OXLEY, QUEENSLAND · ALP

– The answer to the right honourable member’s question is as follows:

  1. I ) & (2) Details sought are contained in the following table.

Department of Social Security: Appointment of Women (Question No. 100)

Mr Snedden:

asked the Minister for Social Security, upon notice:

  1. 1 ) How many women have been appointed to senior positions in his Department since 2 December, 1972.
  2. Who are they.
  3. 3 ) To what position has each been appointed, and what is the function of the position.
Mr Hayden:
ALP

– The answer to the right honourable member’s question is as follows: ( 1 ), (2 ) and (3 ) See the Prime Minister’s reply to Question No. 97 on page 625 of Hansard, 24 July, 1974.

The Treasury: Appointment of Women (Question No. 103)

Mr Snedden:

asked the Treasurer, upon notice:

  1. 1 ) How many women have been appointed to senior positions in his Department since 2 December 1 972.
  2. Who are they.
  3. To what position has each been appointed, and what is the function of the position.
Mr Crean:
ALP

– The answer to the right honourable member’s question is as follows:

I refer the right honourable member’s attention to the answer provided by the Prime Minister to Parliamentary Question No. 97 (Hansard page 625 of 24 July 1974).

Department of Education: Appointment of Women (Question No. Ill)

Mr Snedden:

asked the Minister for Education, upon notice:

  1. 1 ) How many women have been appointed to senior positions in his Department since 2 December 1 972.
  2. Who are they.
  3. To what position has each been appointed, and what is the function of the position.
Mr Beazley:
Minister for Education · FREMANTLE, WESTERN AUSTRALIA · ALP

– The answer to the right honourable member’s question is as follows:

For an answer to this question 1 refer the right honourable member to the Prime Minister’s reply on 24 July 1 974 ( Hansard page 625) to Question No. 97 which was asked by the right honourable member.

Medical and Hospital Funds (Question No. 125)

Dr Klugman:
PROSPECT, NEW SOUTH WALES

asked the Minister for Social Security, upon notice:

  1. 1 ) Can he state for each of the major funds in each State, in relation to special account for (a) medical and (b) hospital funds, the number of entries and exits which occurred in each of the years 1971-72, 1972-73 and 1973-74.
  2. Can he give a further break-up list according to the following periods; July-September 1971, October-December 1971, January-March 1972, April-June 1972, JulySeptember 1972, October-December 1972, January-March 1973, April-June 1973, July-September 1973, OctoberDecember 1973, January-March 1974 and April-June 1974.
  3. Can he also give totals of entries and exits in each case.
Mr Hayden:
ALP

– The answer to the honourable member’s question is as follows:

  1. The number of entries and exits to and from the special account for (a) medical and (b) hospital funds, in respect of each of the major funds in each State, which occurred in the years 1971-72, 1972-73 and 1973-74 are as follows:
  1. A break-up of these entries and exits to show figures in each quarter of the years 1971-72, 1972-73 and 1973-74 is set out below:
  1. Total entries and exits in each State for the same periods are as follows:

Shipping: Carriage of Passengers by Foreign Vessels (Question No. 140)

Mr Kerin:
MACARTHUR, NEW SOUTH WALES

asked the Minister for Transport, upon notice:

  1. What regulations govern carriage of passengers by foreign vessels on the Australian coast.
  2. Is preference given to ships of nations in the Commonwealth of Nations.
  3. How many foreign ships applied for permission to carry passengers on the Australian coast during the period 1 January to 30 January 1 974.
  4. How many permits were issued.
  5. Did the Nauruan vessel ‘Enna G’ apply for a permit to carry passengers between Sydney and Brisbane on a voyage leaving Sydney on 20 June 1 974.
  6. If so, was a permit granted. If not, why not.
Mr Charles Jones:
ALP

– The answer to the honourable member’s question is as follows:

  1. Pan 6 of the Navigation Act and the Navigation (Manning and Coasting Trade) Regulations govern the carriage of passengers by foreign vessels on the Australian coast.
  2. Section 286 of the Navigation Act 1912-1973 provides that where no licensed ship is available preference is given to an unlicensed British ship over an unlicensed foreign ship. A British ship includes a ship registered in a Commonwealth country or a ship recognised by the law of a Commonwealth country as a ship belonging to that country.
  5. No.
  6. As no passengers were embarked at Sydney for disembarkation at Brisbane no single voyage permit for that leg of the ship’s voyage was necessary. However, investigation has shown that 5 passengers boarded the vessel in Sydney on 20 June 1974 and disembarked at Brisbane on 31 July 1974 after travelling via Brisbane, Fiji, Western Samoa and Niue. No application for the required single voyage permit for the carriage of those passengers from Sydney to Melbourne was lodged with the Department of Transport.

The matter has been discussed with the vessel’s owners who were unaware of the need to obtain a permit in the circumstances of the ship ‘s itinerary.

Naval Personnel: Foul Weather Clothing (Question No. 167)

Mr Lloyd:
MURRAY, VICTORIA

asked the Minister for Defence, upon notice:

  1. 1 ) Has the Navy received any complaints about the quality of its foul weather clothing issue.
  2. Is it generally considered to be inferior to that provided by the Army and the Air Force.
Mr Barnard:
ALP

– The answer to the honourable member’s question is as follows:

  1. 1 ) Very few complaints have been received regarding the quality of foul weather clothing issued to Naval personnel.
  2. There is no evidence that the foul weather clothing provided for Naval personnel is in any way inferior to the clothing provided for members of the other two Services. Certain specialised garments of heavier materials are issued to members whose duties involve exposure over long periods to heavy rain or spray, but the normal Naval foul weather clothing used by the large majority of Naval personnel is very similar to that provided for the other two Services and is made from material to a Defence Specification which is common to all three Services.

Naval Personnel: Drugs (Question No. 168)

Mr Lloyd:

asked the Minister for Defence, upon notice:

  1. 1 ) How many Naval personnel have been charged with the possession or pushing of drugs during 1971, 1972, 1973 and 1974 to date.
  2. Have the men so charged been discharged from the Navy and no other action taken.
  3. What remedial treatment has been provided for these men while still in the Navy or after discharge.
  4. Are there 21 Naval personnel in Victoria at present charged with the possession of marihuana, and has a civilian working for the Navy been charged with drug pushing.
  5. Has there been any liaison between Naval authorities and the Victorian Police Drug Squad to ascertain from where the marihuana has been obtained so that the drug ring may be broken.
Mr Barnard:
ALP

– The answer to the honourable member’s question is as follows:

  1. 1 ) Charges (both before civil courts and Naval tribunals) of Use and/or Possession: 1971. 11; 1972, 11; 1973, 20; 1974,27.

There have been no Naval personnel charged with the pushing of drugs over this period.

  1. After disciplinary action had been taken against the majority of them the following have been discharged: 1971, 7; 1972,8; 1973, 12; 1974,3.
  2. While still in the Navy all personnel requiring medical treatment for physical effects are so treated. Counselling and guidance is given to those members who are retained in the Service after being charged and convicted. No treatment is given after discharge as Naval personnel are not discharged until they are fit to undertake civil employment.
  3. Twenty-one Naval personnel in Victoria have recently been charged with use or possession of drugs. A civilian employed by the Navy was charged in a civil court in June 1974 with drug pushing.
  4. A close liaison is maintained at all times by Naval authorities with both the Victorian State Police and the Federal Narcotics Bureau. In the investigation of recent cases in Victoria all available information was given to the Victorian Police.

Naval Personnel: Use of Train (Question No. 170)

Mr Lloyd:

asked the Minister for Defence, upon notice:

  1. 1 ) Does a special train, for the sole use of Naval personnel, leave Crib Point for Flinders Street Station every Friday night and return on Monday morning.
  2. Do very few and sometimes no sailors use this train.
  3. What has been the average number of passengers on each of these train trips during 1 974 to date.
  4. How much does the provision of this train cost the Department of Defence each year.
  5. Have alternative arrangements been considered, such as a bus to and from Frankston or Melbourne.
  6. Is it a fact that the Navy possesses suitable buses at HMAS ‘Cerberus’.
Mr Barnard:
ALP

– The answer to the honourable member’s question is as follows:

  1. 1 ) No. The train is used by civilian passengers also.
  2. and (3) During 1974 I understand the train has carried an average of 130 naval passengers for the journey Crib Point to Spencer Street and 15 for the return trip. I am not aware how many civilians have used the service.
  3. No charge is made to the Department of Defence. Passengers are required to purchase a return ticket at their own expense.
  4. Alternative arrangements would entail cost to the Department of Defence in terms of finance and manpower.
  5. There are buses at HMAS ‘Cerberus’ provided for duty travel. They are not to cater for leave travel.

Naval Police (Question No. 171)

Mr Lloyd:

asked the Minister for Defence, upon notice:

  1. 1 ) What is the target strength of the Naval Police.
  2. How many Naval Police are there at present.
  3. How many of these have been transferred from other duties to alleviate the shortfall.
Mr Barnard:
ALP

– The answer to the honourable member’s question is as follows:

  1. 1 ) The target strength of the Naval Police is 365.
  2. As at 16 July 1974 there were 303 Naval Police.
  3. None. However, 22 sailors who are not members of the Naval Police are currently employed on Naval Police duties to alleviate the current shortfall.

Regional Immigration Office: Griffith (Question No. 201)

Mr King:
WIMMERA, VICTORIA

asked the Minister for Labor and Immigration, upon notice:

  1. 1 ) Is an immigration office to be established in the Electoral Division of Riverina.
  2. If so, what is the purpose of the office.
  3. When and by whom was the decision made to establish the office.
  4. Is there a similar office in any other electorates; if so, which ones.
  5. 5 ) What staff will be employed in the office.
  6. What is the expected cost of staffing.
  7. Will it be under his direct control; if not, who will control it.
  8. Does the building belong to a Government Department; if not, who owns it and what rent will be paid per week.
  9. Will the office be used for any other purpose.
Mr CLYDE CAMERON:
HINDMARSH, SOUTH AUSTRALIA · ALP

– The answer to the honourable member’s question is as follows:

  1. 1 ) The question of opening a separate regional office of the former Department of Immigration in Griffith, New South Wales, became redundant with the amalgamation of that Department with the Department of Labor. The Department of Labor and Immigration will handle immigration matters in Griffith through its office there.
  2. and (3) See answer to ( I ).
  3. Regional immigration offices are functioning in Wollongong, Newcastle and Townsville. They were established in response to regional needs for services provided by the former Department of Immigration.
  4. to (9) See answer to (1).

Financial Corporations Bill (Question No. 223)

Mr Snedden:

asked the Treasurer, upon notice:

  1. Did he state in a speech to the New South Wales Branch of the Economic Society of Australia and New Zealand on 6 February 1974 that the rationale for the introduction of the Financial Corporations Bill and the related policy stance were well-documented in the major theoretical works and the empirical studies which the rapid growth of non-bank financial institutions produced in the 1950s and 1960s.
  2. If so, to which works and studies was he referring.
  3. Which of those works or studies specifically recommend the extension of direct controls to non-bank financial intermediaries.
Mr Crean:
ALP

– The answer to the right honourable member’s question is as follows:

  1. Yes.

  2. There were a large number of theoretical works and empirical studies produced in the 1950s and 1960s which deal with the subject of non-bank financial institutions and it would not be practicable to make reference to them all. The publication ‘Bibliography of Australian Finance 1900-1968’ issued by the Reserve Bank in 1971 contains a bibliography of some of the works and studies undertaken in Australia. The publication of the Federal Reserve Board, Washington, in 1965, ‘Monetary Theory and Policy: A Bibliography’ is a bibliography of some of the studies undertaken overseas. However, specific attention might be drawn to the following major works and studies:

    1. G. Gurley and E. S. Shaw: ‘Money in a Theory of Finance’, Brookings Institution, Washington (1960). ‘Financial Aspects of Economic Development’, American Economic Review, September 1955.
    2. Patinkin: ‘Financial Intermediaries and the Logical Structure of Monetary Theory’, American Economic Review, March 1961.
    3. Tobin and W. C. Brainard: ‘Financial Intermediaries and the Effectiveness of Monetary Controls’, Cowles Foundation Paper No. 1 94, Yale ( 1 963 ).
    4. Clayton: ‘British Financial Intermediaries in Theory and Practice ‘Economic Journal, December 1962.
    5. L. Smith: ‘Financial Intermediaries and Monetary Controls’, Quarterly Journal of Economics, November 1959.
    6. W. Goldsmith: ‘Financial Intermediaries in the American Economy since 1900’, Princeton for National Bureau of Economic Research, 1958.

Reserve Bank of Australia: ‘Flow of Funds, Australia’, Staff Paper and subsequent supplements to Statistical Bulletin.

  1. P. Hogan: ‘Monetary Policy and the Financial Intermediaries’, Economic Record, December I960.

    1. Many of the major theoretical works relating to the activities of non-bank financial intermediaries are concerned with showing the ways in which these activities can influence monetary and economic conditions rather than exploring the practical policy implications and making recommendations thereon. However, a recommendation that direct controls should be extended to non-bank financial institutions is implicit in a number of works, such as those undertaken by Gurley and Shaw and G. Clayton, which are generally accepted as major studies in this area.

Government Office Accommodation (Question No. 233)

Mr Snedden:

asked the Minister for Services and Property, upon notice:

Does the Government intend to pursue a target of 75 per cent ownership of Government office accommodation within 10 years.

Mr Daly:
ALP

– The answer to the right honourable member’s question is as follows:

Yes. This is a target figure. The extent to which the objective can be achieved will depend on the resources which it will be possible to allocate to it.

Army: Rottnest Island (Question No. 236)

Mr Snedden:

asked the Minister for Defence, upon notice:

  1. 1 ) Has the Government completed its examination of the possibility of releasing land under the control of the Australian Army on Rottnest Island.
  2. 2 ) If so, what is the outcome.
  3. If not, when is it expected that the examination will be completed.
Mr Barnard:
ALP

– The answer to the right honourable member’s question is as follows: ( 1 ), (2) and (3) Rottnest Island consists of some 1 800 hectares of which the Army currently controls some 50 hectares centred around Kingston Barracks. The area is used extensively for military training purposes, particularly by the Special Air Service Regiment and Army Reserve personnel.

In addition, a number of parcels of land previously under Army control and totalling 56 hectares was offered to the Western Australian Government in 1969 but the transfer did not eventuate because of differences of opinion on value.

In June, the Prime Minister wrote to the Premier of Western Australia proposing, in respect of the areas originally offered in 1969, to dedicate them, subject to conditions to be mutually agreed upon, for tourism, park and recreational purposes to be vested in trustees under Section 54 of the Lands Acquisition Act.

The Army occupied land continues to be required for defence purposes. However, the Prime Minister has asked the Premier for details of how the Western Australian Government intended to use the areas on Rottnest Island, including the areas occupied by the Army, and has proposed an indepth study, which would have regard to all interests involved, with the object of arriving at a mutually acceptable solution. A response from the Premier of Western Australia is awaited.

Migrants in Non-urban Areas (Question No. 240)

Mr Snedden:

asked the Minister for Labor and Immigration, upon notice:

  1. 1 ) What proportion of migrants arriving in Australia settled in non-urban areas in each of the last 10 years.
  2. In what non-urban areas have they settled and in what numbers.
Mr CLYDE CAMERON:
HINDMARSH, SOUTH AUSTRALIA · ALP

– The reply to the right honourable member’s question is as follows:

  1. 1 have been informed that statistics of settler arrivals obtained at the time of entry to Australia do not enable figures to be prepared of the eventual locality to which settlers move. The only source of such information is from the periodic population Censuses.
  2. Considerable work would be involved in preparing a full reply to your question on the proportion of migrants in nonurban areas. This would involve compilation of figures for some 500 separate urban centres.
The attached tables show, for each statistical division in Australia, the total population, the number of persons bom overseas and the number of residents with less than 10 years period of residence as at the 1 97 1 Census of Population and Housing. The table shows that the heaviest concentration of migrants is in the Capital City Statistical Divisions. {:#subdebate-29-22} #### Fuel Consumption Study (Question No. 255) {: #subdebate-29-22-s0 .speaker-DQF} ##### Mr Snedden: asked the Minister for Transport, upon notice: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. Has his Department undertaken a study of fuel consumption in Australia. 1. If so, has the study been completed. 2. If the study has been completed, will a report be published and will he be recommending that smaller cars be used by the Australian Government {: #subdebate-29-22-s1 .speaker-KDV} ##### Mr Charles Jones:
ALP -- The answer to the right honourable member's question is as follows: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. and (2) My Department has maintained a constant review of the fuel supply to and usage by Australia's transport system. This information has been provided to the Department of Minerals and Energy which has the primary responsibility in this matter. Furthermore, the Bureau of Transport Economics is commissioning a study to investigate the likely effects of fuel shortage, regulation and pricing on transport use, fuel use and transport technology. This study is planned to be carried out in several phases. The first phase- a study of current literature on the subject- is now completed. 1. ) It is anticipated that the report on the first phase of the abovementioned study will be released by the Bureau of Transport Economics. Such aspects as the increasing use of smaller cars and alternative transport technologies may be investigated in later phases of the study. I have stated on a number of occasions my view is that management' must consider whether high-powered motor vehicles are really necessary for a particular function. I am concerned to see that the Australian Government, with its concern for the environment, takes fuel consumption data into account in reaching its decisions. Department of the Environment and Conservation: Inter-departmental Committees (Question No. 307) {: #subdebate-29-22-s2 .speaker-DQF} ##### Mr Snedden: asked the Minister for the Environment and Conservation, upon notice: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. Does his Department maintain a record of interdepartmental committees in which it participates. 1. If not, then how is he aware of all the interdepartmental consultations in which his Department is involved through inter-departmental committees. 2. Will he ensure that such a list is in future available to him. {: #subdebate-29-22-s3 .speaker-JNG} ##### Dr Cass:
Minister for the Environment and Conservation · MARIBYRNONG, VICTORIA · ALP -- The answer to the right honourable member's question is as follows: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. 1 ) I am not sure what the right honourable member's definition of an inter-departmental committee is. My Department engages in a great number of consultations and meetings with other Australian Government departments on a wide variety of topics. If the right honourable member regards all these meetings as being inter-departmental committees, the answer to his quesiton is no. If on the other hand he is referring to inter-departmental committees established by Cabinet decision or by *arrangement between Ministers* the answer is yes. 1. and(3) See answer to (1). {:#subdebate-29-23} #### Public Service: Sick Leave (Question No. 312) {: #subdebate-29-23-s0 .speaker-DQF} ##### Mr Snedden: asked the Prime Minister, upon notice: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. 1 ) How many hours were lost due to sick leave by officers or employees of the Australian Public Service in each of the last 10 years. 1. What was the average number of hours lost per officer or employee due to absence from work on sick leave in each of those years. 2. What were the major kinds of illness which necessitated sick leave being taken. {: #subdebate-29-23-s1 .speaker-6U4} ##### Mr Whitlam:
ALP -- The answer to the right honourable member's question is as follows: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. The Public Service Board has advised me that it cannot readily provide this information as sick leave records are maintained solely by departments and are widely dispersed within departments. To compile the information sought would require an examination of the individual sick leave records for every officer and employee employed in every department over the last 10 years, including those for officers and employees who have now left the Australian Public Service. The Public Service Board has recently undertaken, on behalf of the Joint Council of the Australian Public Service, a sick leave survey using a sample S per cent of all officers and employees. Based on the information provided by the survey the Board has estimated that approximately 1,992,000 days sick leave were taken by officers and employees of the Australian Public Service during the year May 1972 to April 1973. {: type="1" start="2"} 0. The sample survey indicated that the average number of days lost per officer and employee due to absence on sick leave was 8.0 days per annum. 1. No statistical information is available as to the major kinds of illness which necessitate sick leave being taken. {:#subdebate-29-24} #### Public Service: Employment of Aborigines (Question No. 313) {: #subdebate-29-24-s0 .speaker-DQF} ##### Mr Snedden: asked the Prime Minister, upon notice: >What initiatives are currently being undertaken by the Public Service to increase the number of Aborigines employed in the Public Service. {: #subdebate-29-24-s1 .speaker-6U4} ##### Mr Whitlam:
ALP -- The answer to the right honourable member's question is as *follows:* >I am informed by the Public Service Board that: > >Initiatives to increase the number of Aboriginals employed in the Public Service were outlined in the 1973 Public Service Board Annual Report (page 77). > >I understand that developments during the year will be outlined in the Board's 1974 Annual Report which I expect to table in September. Public Service: Part-time Employees (Question No. 319) {: #subdebate-29-24-s2 .speaker-DQF} ##### Mr Snedden: asked the Prime Minister, upon notice: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. 1 ) Did the Public Service Board instigate an examination of the part-time employee in 1 972. 1. If so, what was the purpose of the examination. 2. How many officers were involved in the examination, and what was the outcome. {: #subdebate-29-24-s3 .speaker-6U4} ##### Mr Whitlam:
ALP -- The answer to the right honourable member's question is as follows: >The Public Service Board has advised me as follows: > >Yes. > >To examine the implications of the possible extension of part-time work on a number of issues such as establishment arrangements, the question of permanent tenure and the rights of full-time officers vis-a-vis part-time officers or employees. > >The examination is proceeding and relevant aspects will be mentioned in the Board's Annual Report which I expect to table in September. Department of Minerals and Energy: Training in Financial or Auditing Procedures (Question No. 332) {: #subdebate-29-24-s4 .speaker-DQF} ##### Mr Snedden: asked the Minister for Minerals and Energy, upon notice: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. 1 ) How many officers in his Department have been given some form of formal training in financial or auditing procedures used in Commonwealth Departments in the last 12 months. 1. What is the division and classification of these officers. 2. How many of these officers were in operational, as distinct from financial or accounting, positions in the Service. {: #subdebate-29-24-s5 .speaker-K0O} ##### Mr Connor:
Minister for Minerals and Energy · CUNNINGHAM, NEW SOUTH WALES · ALP -- The answer to the right honourable member's question is as follows: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. 21. 1. Geologist, Class 3; Surveyor, Class 2; Executive Officer, Class 9; Graduate Clerk; Clerk, Class 2/3; Clerk, Class 1; Third Division. Clerical Assistant, Grade 3, Fourth Division. 2. 19. Department of Social Security: Training in Financial or Auditing Procedures (Question No. 334) {: #subdebate-29-24-s6 .speaker-DQF} ##### Mr Snedden: asked the Minister for Social Security, upon notice: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. 1 ) How many officers in his Department have been given some form of formal training in financial or auditing procedures used in Commonwealth departments in the last 12 months. 1. ) What is the division and classification of these officers. 2. ) How many of these officers were in operational, as distinct from financial or accounting, positions in the service. {: #subdebate-29-24-s7 .speaker-RK4} ##### Mr Hayden:
ALP -- The answer to the right honourable member's question is as follows: ( 1 ), (2) and (3) See the Prime Minister's reply to Question No. 329 on pages 626-627 of Hansard, 24 July 1974. {:#subdebate-29-25} #### Public Servants: Parking Facilities (Question No. 346) {: #subdebate-29-25-s0 .speaker-DQF} ##### Mr Snedden: asked the Minister for Services and Property, upon notice: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. How many requests have been received by departments from officers seeking parking facilities near the office in which they work in the last 1 2 months. 1. How many of these requests have been accommodated. 2. How many officers of his Department are involved in the review of parking provisions for disabled employees and officers of the Public Service. 3. When was the review commenced, and when will it be completed. 4. ) Will it lead to a report being submitted to him. 5. Will copies of the report be made available. {: #subdebate-29-25-s1 .speaker-6V4} ##### Mr Daly:
ALP -- The answer to the right honourable member's question is as follows: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. and (2) Requests are received by my Department from time to time from officers seeking parking facilities near the offices in which they work. However the number of requests received by all departments is not known. It has been the practice generally to provide parking facilities at Australian Government office buildings where possible for Government vehicles and essential visitors vehicles. Where space is available provision is made for parking officers private vehicles. (3), (4), (5) and (6) My Department is examining in consultation with appropriate departments the whole question of parking facilities associated with Government office accommodation including facilities for disabled employees and officers of the Public Service. This will be a continuing examination and I shall be considering its results as they come to hand. No good purpose would be served by producing an overall report. I should emphasise that the most sympathetic consideration will continue to be given to any requests for special parking facilities by disabled officers and employees. {:#subdebate-29-26} #### Merrett Rifle Range Relocation (Question No. 349) {: #subdebate-29-26-s0 .speaker-DQF} ##### Mr Snedden: asked the Minister for Defence, upon notice: >Does he intend to re-site the 300-acre rifle range on the foreshores at Williamstown. {: #subdebate-29-26-s1 .speaker-JO8} ##### Mr Barnard:
ALP -- The answer to the right honourable member's question is as follows: >The Merrett Rifle Range at Williamstown, Melbourne, continues to provide an essential training facility which is used extensively by the Australian Regular Army and the Army Reserve and Cadets as well as by the other Services and the Rifle Club movement. > >It is established policy to relocate the range but difficulty has arisen in identifying a suitable alternative site. The Prime Minister has been in correspondence recently with the Premier of Victoria and as a consequence it is expected that Australian Government and State Government officials will meet at an early date to investigate and report upon alternative sites. > >As opportunity permits, sections of the range are being released and last April the Department of Services and Property was authorised to negotiate with the City of Williamstown for the lease of 40 acres for recreation purposes. That area was additional to an area of 20 acres previously offered for the lease for the same purpose. {:#subdebate-29-27} #### Passports (Question No. 361) {: #subdebate-29-27-s0 .speaker-DQF} ##### Mr Snedden: asked the Minister for Labor and Immigration, upon notice: >How many Australian citizens have been refused a passport or other travel documents to enable them to travel outside Australia since 2 December 1972. {: #subdebate-29-27-s1 .speaker-2V4} ##### Mr CLYDE CAMERON:
HINDMARSH, SOUTH AUSTRALIA · ALP -- I am informed that the answer to the right honourable member's question is as follows: >Since 2 December 1972, fourteen Australian citizens have been refused Australian passports. Of these, nine were issued with Documents of Identity in lieu of passports for limited travel outside Australia; six were abroad at the time. {:#subdebate-29-28} #### Deportations (Question No. 362) {: #subdebate-29-28-s0 .speaker-DQF} ##### Mr Snedden: asked the Minister for Labor and Immigration, upon notice: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. 1 ) How many people have been deported from Australia since 2 December 1972. 1. From what countries did these deportees come, and how many were deported in the case of each country. {: #subdebate-29-28-s1 .speaker-2V4} ##### Mr CLYDE CAMERON:
HINDMARSH, SOUTH AUSTRALIA · ALP -- I am informed that the answer to the right honourable member's question is as follows: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. 694. 1. The nationalities of the deportees were as set out in the following table. {:#subdebate-29-29} #### Department of Education: Training in Financial or Auditing Procedures (Question No. 374) {: #subdebate-29-29-s0 .speaker-DQF} ##### Mr Snedden: asked the Minister for Education, upon notice: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. 1 ) How many officers in his Department have been given some form of formal training in financial or auditing procedures used in Commonwealth departments in the last 12 months. 1. 2 ) What is the division and classification of these officers. 2. How many of these officers were in operational, as distinct from financial or accounting, positions in the service. {: #subdebate-29-29-s1 .speaker-JF7} ##### Mr Beazley:
ALP -- The answer to the right honourable member's question is as follows: >For an answer to this question I refer the right honourable member to the Prime Minister's reply on 24 July 1974 (Hansard, pp. 626-627) to Question No. 329 which was asked by the right honourable member. {:#subdebate-29-30} #### Traffic Signs (Question No. 400) {: #subdebate-29-30-s0 .speaker-DQF} ##### Mr Snedden: asked the Minister for Transport, upon notice: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. Has he received representations from Speld, the Specific Learning Difficulties Association of New South Wales, requesting that symbols instead of words be introduced on traffic signs. 1. Will he instigate a research study of the difficulties experienced by groups in the community with learning disabilities of various kinds in using present traffic signs. {: #subdebate-29-30-s1 .speaker-KDV} ##### Mr Charles Jones:
ALP -- The answer to the right honourable member's question is as follows: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. 1 ) Yes. The Secretary of Speld wrote to me to draw to my attention the possible problems faced by persons with reading difficulty in coping with traffic signs. An officer of my Department subsequently visited the headquarters of Speld in Sydney to discuss the matter. It was agreed that a research study to determine the nature of the problem was in order. 1. Yes. A study plan has been developed and its feasibility discussed with the Department of Education at Monash University in Victoria. The research study will be instigated as soon as a suitable consultant can be found to undertake it. {:#subdebate-29-31} #### Commonwealth Bureau of Roads: Environmental Studies (Question No. 406) {: #subdebate-29-31-s0 .speaker-DQF} ##### Mr Snedden: asked the Minister for Transport, upon notice: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. How many positions are provided in the Commonwealth Bureau of Roads relating to environmental studies. 1. ) What is the function of each position. {: #subdebate-29-31-s1 .speaker-KDV} ##### Mr Charles Jones:
ALP -- The answer to the right honourable member's question is as follows: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. Environmental studies are an integral part of Transport planning, and therefore environmental matters affect the duties of a number of transport planners and transport analysts in the Commonwealth Bureau of Roads to an effect which is considered the equivalent of approximately two full time positions. 1. The function of Bureau staff members concerned with environmental studies is to conduct investigations into environmental effects of roads in order to ensure that the Bureau is fully informed of these matters for the purpose of its responsibilities under its Act {:#subdebate-29-32} #### Fuel Consumption Standard (Question No. 408) {: #subdebate-29-32-s0 .speaker-DQF} ##### Mr Snedden: asked the Minister for Transport, upon notice: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. 1 ) Has the Department completed its investigation of the formulation of a suitable fuel consumption standard. 1. If so, has a report been submitted to him. 2. Will the report be made available. 3. If the investigations have not been completed, when is completion expected. 4. 5 ) What areas are covered by the investigation. {: #subdebate-29-32-s1 .speaker-KDV} ##### Mr Charles Jones:
ALP -- The answer to the right honourable member's question is as follows: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. No. 1. , (3), (4) and (5). The formulation of a fuel consumption standard is only one of the measures under consideration by the Australian Government to protect the consumer. My Department is currently investigating the formulation of a suitable fuel consumption standard, and at the same time examining the United States voluntary fuel economy labelling programming introduced for 1974 model vehicles. When the National Authority on Road Safety and Standards is established, it is expected that further resources will be available to undertake more comprehensive programs on consumer protection and information standards in relation to motor vehicles. Department of the Capital Territory: Training in Financial Auditing Procedures (Question No. 432) {: #subdebate-29-32-s2 .speaker-DQF} ##### Mr Snedden: asked the Minister for the Capital Territory, upon notice: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. How many officers in his Department have been given some form of formal training in financial or auditing procedures used in Commonwealth departments in the last 12 months. 1. ) What is the division and classification of these officers. 2. How many of these officers were in operational, as distinct from financial or accounting, positions in the Service. {: #subdebate-29-32-s3 .speaker-JSU} ##### Mr Bryant:
ALP -- The answer to the right honourable member's question is as follows: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. 108. 1. Fourth Division: 13 x CA 1; 3 x CA 2; 2 x CA 4; 4 Technical Officers. Third Division: 46 Clerk, Class 1; 8 Clerk, Class 2/3; 8 Clerk, Class 4; 2 Clerk, Class 5; 2 Clerk, Class 6; 2 Clerk, Class 7; 2 Clerk, Class 8; 3 Clerk, Class 10; 2 Library Officers; 6 Professional Officers. Second Division: I Level I. {: type="1" start="3"} 0. Operational- 87; Financial- 21. {:#subdebate-29-33} #### Geelong Employment District (Question No. 473) {: #subdebate-29-33-s0 .speaker-KVM} ##### Mr Street: asked the Minister for Labor and Immigration, upon notice: >How many people in the Geelong employment district are receiving special benefits due to retrenchment resulting from Government economic policy. {: #subdebate-29-33-s1 .speaker-2V4} ##### Mr CLYDE CAMERON:
HINDMARSH, SOUTH AUSTRALIA · ALP -- I am informed that the answer to the honourable member's question is as follows: >As at 29 July 1974 there were 173 persons in the Geelong employment district receiving special benefits due to retrenchments resulting from Government action in relation to structural adjustment. {:#subdebate-29-34} #### Superannuation Fund: Distribution of Surplus (Question No. 478) {: #subdebate-29-34-s0 .speaker-GH4} ##### Mr Hunt: asked the Treasurer, upon notice: >Will he ensure that (a) all who contributed to the Superannuation Fund during the period in which the surplus was amassed will share in the disbursement in proportion to their contributions, (b) any person who resigned, retired or was retrenched and accepted a lump sum settlement, during or after the period of the assessment, will not be disadvantaged and (c) where applicable, former members' dependants or estates will not be disadvantaged. {: #subdebate-29-34-s1 .speaker-JAG} ##### Mr Crean:
ALP -- The answer to the honourable member's question is as follows: >Distribution to contributors to the pension scheme and pensioners of the surplus disclosed by the Tenth Quinquennial Investigation of the Superannuation Fund as at 30 June 1972 will be made in accordance with the Superannuation (Distribution of Surplus) Act 1974. The Act, which received the Royal Assent on 1 1 April 1974, adopts the principles of the 1965 legislation for the distribution of the surplus in the Fund as at 30 June 1962. > >The answers to the three points raised in the question are: > >The persons who are eligible to participate in the distribution are defined in section 3 of the Act. The allocation between eligible persons will have regard to actuarial principles and practice and take into account all matters relevant to ensure that the allocation is on a fair and reasonable basis. > >In accordance with the Act, a person whose obligation to contribute to the pension scheme commenced before 30 June 1972 and ceased on or before 10 April 1974 and who resigned or retired and received a refund of his contributions or was retrenched and accepted a lump sum payment, will not participate in the distribution. > >Where an eligible contributor or eligible pensioner has died, the amount of any entitlement will be paid to the widow or, where there is no widow, to such other person or persons as the Superannuation Board determines. {:#subdebate-29-35} #### Medical and Hospital Benefit Claims (Question No. 500) {: #subdebate-29-35-s0 .speaker-SH4} ##### Dr Klugman: asked the Minister for Social Security, upon notice: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. 1 ) What is the average delay between receipt of a claim for (a) medical and (b) hospital benefit by each of the major health insurance funds in each State and the actual receipt of the benefit by the claimant. 1. ) Has the delay worsened in recent times. {: #subdebate-29-35-s1 .speaker-RK4} ##### Mr Hayden:
ALP -- The answer to the honourable member's question is as follows: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. 1 ) The following table based on random samples shows in days the approximate average time taken between the receipt of claims and their payment. The figures exclude claims paid in cash over the counter to contributors: 1. Overall, the time taken to process claims has not increased significantly during 1974. {:#subdebate-29-36} #### Film and Television Board (Question No. 513) {: #subdebate-29-36-s0 .speaker-KB8} ##### Mr Giles:
ANGAS, SOUTH AUSTRALIA asked the Prime Minister, upon notice: >Is the Government satisfied that payments made by the Film and Television Board are in the taxpayers 'interests and the interests of the Australian film industry. {: #subdebate-29-36-s1 .speaker-6U4} ##### Mr Whitlam:
ALP -- The answer to the honourable member's question is as follows: Yes. {:#subdebate-29-37} #### South Vietnam: Financial Aid (Question No. 521) {: #subdebate-29-37-s0 .speaker-22251} ##### Mr McKenzie:
Diamond Valley · ALP asked the Treasurer, upon notice: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. Did representatives of the Australian Government take part in a secret meeting of the World Bank in Paris during the period 10 to 14 October 1973 called for the express purpose of raising a large loan for the use of the Thieu Administration. 1. If so, has the Australian Government made any subsequent commitments to the World Bank, or any of its agencies, concerning such aid. 2. How much of the proposed contribution of $27m by Australia to the Asian Development Bank will go to the Thieu Administration in the form of long term loans with special conditions, and what are the special conditions. 3. Is it a fact that both the World Bank and the Asian Development Bank have each made a firm decision not to give any aid to the Provisional Revolutionary Government. 4. If so, does any decision by the Australian Government to contribute funds to the World Bank and the Asian Development Bank which are then made available to one administration only in South Vietnam conflict with the provisions of the Pans Peace Agreement which clearly recognises that the two administrations in South Vietnam are to be treated with strict equality. 5. Will he take steps to see that, in financial matters affecting South Vietnam, the Australian Government will adhere strictly to the provisions of the Paris Agreement as undertaken in statements by the Prime Minister on 28 January 1973 and IS March 1973. {: #subdebate-29-37-s1 .speaker-JAG} ##### Mr Crean:
ALP -- The answer to the honourable member's question is as follows: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. Representatives of the Australian Government attended a meeting of interested donor countries in Paris on 16 October 1973 to discuss the possible establishment of an aid group for Indo-China. The meeting was not secret and did not discuss the raising of any loan for South Vietnam. 1. No. 2. Australia's proposed contribution of $US27m to the Asian Development Fund will be used by the Asian Development Bank in accordance with agreed procedures to extend loans on concessional terms for projects in its poorer member countries. It is not possible, therefore, to say what percentage of these funds might go to any particular recipient. Loans made from the Asian Development Fund bear an interest rate of 1 per cent and are repayable over 40 years, with a grace period of 10 years. 3. The World Bank and the Asian Development Bank can lend only to member countries. Any country which is a member of the International Monetary Fund can apply for membership of the World Bank and any country which is a member or an associate member of the United Nations Economic and Social Commission for Asia and the Pacific, or a member of the United Nations or of any of its specialised agencies, can apply for membership of the Asian Development Bank. The Provisional Revolutionary Government is not currently a member of either the World Bank or the Asian Development Bank. It is therefore not eligible for loans from these institutions. In practice, neither the World Bank nor its affiliate the International Development Association have extended any loans to any of their member countries in Indo-China. 4. and (6) The Australian Government is not a party to the Paris Agreements but has stated its support for them as offering the best prospects for peace in Vietnam. The contribution of Australian funds to the World Bank and the Asian Development Bank, part of which might subsequently be channelled to South Vietnam, would not conflict with the provisions of the Paris Agreements. While the Agreements refer to the 'two South Vietnamese parties' (i.e. the Provisional Revolutionary Government and the Government of Vietnam), they do not do so on the basis of any assumption or stipulation that the two South Vietnamese parties have the same international legal status or are to be treated with strict equality by others. It is relevant that the International Conference on Vietnam held in Paris in March 1973 saw fit to include in its Final Act a penultimate sentence which read: 'Signature of this Act does not constitute recognition of any party in any case in which it has not previously been accorded. ' This was an important provision, required as much by North Vietnam, the PRG, the U.S.S.R. and China (in relation to their non-recognition of the Government of Vietnam) as by the United States, South Vietnam, France, Britain, Canada, etc. which do not recognise the PRG. Australian aid to South Vietnam is not directed exclusively to the Government of Vietnam. The Australian Government has also provided aid to areas under PRG control through multilateral bodies such as the Indo-China Operational Group of the International Red Cross and the United Nations Childrens Fund. {:#subdebate-29-38} #### Population: Permanent Departures (Question No. 523) {: #subdebate-29-38-s0 .speaker-0K4} ##### Mr Wilson:
STURT, SOUTH AUSTRALIA asked the Minister for Labor and Immigration, upon notice: >How many permanent departures from Australia were therein 1973-74. {: #subdebate-29-38-s1 .speaker-2V4} ##### Mr CLYDE CAMERON:
HINDMARSH, SOUTH AUSTRALIA · ALP -- The answer to the honourable member's question is as follows: >I am informed that statistics of arrivals and departures to and from Australia are not yet available for the financial year 1973-74. > >However, permanent departures during the calendar year 1973 (latest figures available) were: {: type="a" start="a"} 0. Persons who, on departure from Australia, stated that they had come to Australia intending to settle, had stayed for a period of twelve months or more, and were now departing permanently. {:#subdebate-29-39} #### Arts Grants (Question No. 549) {: #subdebate-29-39-s0 .speaker-DQF} ##### Mr Snedden: asked the Prime Minister, upon notice: >What are the established criteria by which grants are awarded in all fields of artistic endeavour. {: #subdebate-29-39-s1 .speaker-6U4} ##### Mr Whitlam:
ALP -- The answer to the right honourable member's question is as follows: >The Australian Council for the Arts has advised that the criteria would depend on the area of the arts involved, i.e. Aboriginal arts, music, theatre, visual arts, crafts, literature, film and television, community arts, or international programs. The basic points taken into consideration every time a grant is made are: The standard of professionalism; the artistic potential of the person, group or organisation; the degree of artistic or community involvement; the extent to which the activity would benefit the community; the extent to which it would encourage participation in the arts or educate the young in the arts; and the extent to which it would promote Australia's cultural image abroad. {:#subdebate-29-40} #### Australian Honours (Question No. 550) {: #subdebate-29-40-s0 .speaker-DQF} ##### Mr Snedden: asked the Prime Minister, upon notice: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. 1 ) Does he recall my representations to him on behalf of Miss Kathleen Birmingham, a noted journalist, and the first woman reporter on the Sydney Morning Herald, who many considered worthy of receiving recognition of her work. 1. Does he also recall his reply to me on 19 December 1973 by letter indicating that the Council for the Arts was examining the general question of recognising the services to the community provided by the people in the arts generally. 2. Has his attention been drawn to the fact that Miss Birmingham died recently. 3. Can he indicate when the Council's deliberation will be completed so that the services of other Australians do not go unrecognised. 4. When will the promised system of Australian honours appear. {: #subdebate-29-40-s1 .speaker-6U4} ##### Mr Whitlam:
ALP -- The answer to the right honourable member's question is as follows: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. Yes. 1. Yes. 2. Yes. 3. The Australian Council for the Arts has approved in principle a double series of awards (a) to persons who have made a significant contribution to the arts in Australia and (b) a series of regular awards to individuals or bodies who have made a conspicuous or meritorious contribution to the growth of the arts in the Australian community. The mechanics of the awards are at present being developed. 4. No decisions have yet been made concerning the establishment of an Australian honours system. {:#subdebate-29-41} #### Aged Persons Homes Act: Construction of Accommodation (Question No. 593) {: #subdebate-29-41-s0 .speaker-SH4} ##### Dr Klugman: asked the Minister for Social Security, upon notice: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. 1 ) In relation to accommodation constructed under the Aged Persons Homes Act during the last twelve months, what has been the amount and percentage of the total cost met by (a) the Australian Government, (b) State Governments, (c) Local Governments, (d ) residents ' donations and (e ) voluntary agencies in (i) each State and (ii) Australia. 1. ) What are the comparable figures for the previous three twelve-monthly periods. {: #subdebate-29-41-s1 .speaker-RK4} ##### Mr Hayden:
ALP -- The answer to the honourable member's question is as follows: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. 1 ) and (2) The following tables show the amount and percentage of the capital cost met by: (i) the Australian Government; (ii) local government bodies and voluntary agencies combined; and (iii) residents' donations. Statistics are not kept of the break-up between organisations' contributions and residents' donations under separate headings for local government bodies and voluntary agencies. As far as my Department is aware the State Governments have not made any contributions towards the capital cost of homes subsidised under the Aged Persons Homes Act, but may have assisted with the cost of furnishings that do not qualify for Australian Government subsidy. {:#subdebate-29-42} #### Journalists: Federal Awards (Question No. 594) {: #subdebate-29-42-s0 .speaker-SH4} ##### Dr Klugman: asked the Minister for Labor and Immigration, upon notice: >By what percentages have the award wages for A class journalists, employed under Federal awards, increased since 1968. {: #subdebate-29-42-s1 .speaker-2V4} ##### Mr CLYDE CAMERON:
HINDMARSH, SOUTH AUSTRALIA · ALP -- I am informed that the answer to the honourable member's question is as follows: >Journalists are covered by 22 Federal awards. The Journalists (Metropolitan Daily Newspapers) Award is generally regarded as the parent journalist award and I have used it to determine the percentage increase in A Grade Journalists' award wages since 1968. Operative from October 1 968, the weekly award wages for A Grade Journalists were$1 10.80 in Tasmania, $114.50 in Western > >Australia, South Australia and Queensland and $1 16.35 in New South Wales and Victoria. Since May 1974, the weekly rates have been $196.90 in Tasmania and $202.40 in all other States. The respective percentage increases, therefore, are as follows: > >New South Wales and Victoria-74.0 percent > >Western Australia, South Australia and Queensland- 76.8 per cent > >Tasmania- 77.7 per cent. > >I should add that the differential between morning and evening weekly wage rates has been discontinued since 1968 and the above percentages are based on the 1 968 morning rates. China: Visit by Prime Minister (Question No. 653) {: #subdebate-29-42-s2 .speaker-K9L} ##### Mr Garland: asked the Prime Minister, upon notice: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. 1 ) During his last visit to China how much time elapsed between his meeting with Chairman Mao Tse-tung and his invitation to it 1. Did he have to break off a meeting with the Premier, Chou En lai, and go directly to it without further notice. 2. Did he take the opportunity at the meeting to make clear that he disapproved of Chinese testing of nuclear devices in the atmosphere, and to suggest that the French tests were more reprehensible than the Chinese tests. 3. Has he ever suggested elsewhere that testing nuclear devices in the atmosphere by France is more reprehensible than testing nuclear devices in the atmosphere by China. 4. If so, is the attitude of the Government based on the premise that the French tests are more reprehensible than the Chinese tests (a) to the world and (b) to Australia. 5. If so, in what way are the French tests more reprehensible. {: #subdebate-29-42-s3 .speaker-6U4} ##### Mr Whitlam:
ALP -- The answer to the honourable member's question is as follows: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. Aboutonehour. 1. The invitation was conveyed to me during talks with Premier Chou En-lai on the afternoon of 2 November. Premier Chou took me to the meeting. 2. I told Chairman Mao Tse-tung that the Australian Government and the Australian people were strongly opposed to all forms of nuclear testing, whether in the atmosphere or underground. I added that Australia had made its opposition felt in relation to the recent French tests and that it was no less opposed to Chinese tests. 3. I have on numerous occasions reiterated the Government's policy of total opposition to the testing of nuclear devices in the atmosphere by any State. For instance, as recently as 17 and 18 June and 8 July 1974 I have expressed my opposition to such testing by France and China in similar terms, namely, that the tests conducted by both countries are a matter of deep concern to the Australian Government 4. ) and (6) See answer to part (4). {:#subdebate-29-43} #### Wages and Salaries: Inflation (Question No. 669) {: #subdebate-29-43-s0 .speaker-K9L} ##### Mr Garland: asked the Treasurer, upon notice: {: type="A" start="I"} 0. Was he consulted by the Minister for Labor and Immigration when that Minister prepared the Government's submission to the National Wage Case before the Arbitration Commission. {: type="1" start="2"} 0. If earnings are to continue to rise at the order of 16 to 20 per cent per annum, can he say how a reduction in the inflation rate is possible. 1. ) Does he take into account that, with an inflation rate of more than 13 per cent, 12 months of quarterly adjustments would so erode the real wages of the middle and upper income groups and skilled labor groups that pressure for further readjustments will be massive and industrial unrest assured. {: #subdebate-29-43-s1 .speaker-JAG} ##### Mr Crean:
ALP -- The answer to the honourable member's question is as follows: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. Yes. 1. No. 2. All relevant considerations are taken into account when the government forms its view on the matters mentioned. {:#subdebate-29-44} #### Defence Document (Question No. 672) {: #subdebate-29-44-s0 .speaker-K9L} ##### Mr Garland: asked the Minister for Defence, upon notice: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. 1 ) Has the document which gave the Government a strategic appreciation, referred to in his answer to a question without notice in the House on 12 March 1973, been tabled; if not, will he do so. 1. ) If for reasons of security he is unwilling to make it public, will he quote the full paragraph in which the reference to the 15 years is summarised. 2. If he is unwilling to do that, will he quote the paragraph with certain words omitted, with an indication of where any words are omitted, a technique used by the United States Government in publishing some defence documents. {: #subdebate-29-44-s1 .speaker-JO8} ##### Mr Barnard:
ALP -- The answer to the honourable member's question is as follows: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. The document has not been tabled. It is a classified document that has not been tabled by Governments in the past It is not my intention to table it now. 1. and (3) There are various paragraphs in the document with reference to the fifteen year period of the assessment I do not propose to risk distortion of the presentation by quoting them out of context I refer to the honourable member to my statements to the House of 22 August 1973 and 9 April 1974, both of which drew substantially on the Defence Committee's paper on the 'Strategic Basis of Australian Defence Policy', 1973. I also refer the Honourable Member to my speech to the National RSL Congress in Perth on October 29, a copy of which is available in the Parliamentary Library. This also drew on the Defence Committee paper and quoted extensively from it {:#subdebate-29-45} #### Omega Navigation System (Question No. 675) {: #subdebate-29-45-s0 .speaker-K9L} ##### Mr Garland: asked the Minister for Defence, upon notice: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. Has his attention been drawn to the Current Affairs Bulletin of 1 November 1 97 1 in which a case is made for not allowing the building of the Omega Navigation system in Australia. 1. If so, has he had the arguments analysed and will he, briefly, set out the reasons for his agreement or disagreement with the arguments presented. {: #subdebate-29-45-s1 .speaker-JO8} ##### Mr Barnard:
ALP -- The answer to the honourable member's question is as follows: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. 1 ) Not specifically; the article is part of the general public debate on Omega. Carriage of this matter is with the Minister for Transport. 1. Strategic and foreign policy aspects of the proposed Omega installation in Australia are under examination by the Parliamentary Joint Committee on Foreign Affairs and Defence. I understand that the Committee has discussed the arguments presented in the article in question both with the author and with Officers of my Department. Fuller information is available in the Committee's transcript of evidence, particularly pages 8 1 to 143 and 300 to 337. {:#subdebate-29-46} #### Book Bounty (Question No. 710) {: #subdebate-29-46-s0 .speaker-KSB} ##### Mr McLeay:
BOOTHBY, SOUTH AUSTRALIA asked the Minister representing the Minister for *Customs* and Excise, upon notice: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. When will the Return for 1972-73 under the Book Bounty Act be presented to Parliament 1. Will the Minister provide Parliament with a record of the titles on which bounty is paid. {: #subdebate-29-46-s1 .speaker-1V4} ##### Dr J F CAIRNS:
LALOR, VICTORIA · ALP -- The Minister for Customs and Excise has provided the following answer to the honourable member's question {: type="1" start="1"} 0. The Book Bounty Act Return for 1972-73 was presented to the Parliament on 28 August 1973 as Parliamentary Paper No. 140. 1. A record is not kept of the titles of books on which bounty is paid. Four thousand seven hundred and fifty-one tides were involved in 1972-73. {:#subdebate-29-47} #### Government Houses (Question No. 711) {: #subdebate-29-47-s0 .speaker-KSB} ##### Mr McLeay: asked the Minister for the Capital Territory, upon notice: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. 1 ) How many names were removed from the waiting list for Government houses during 1 973-74. 1. What were the reasons for their removal, and how many were there in each of these categories. {: #subdebate-29-47-s1 .speaker-JSU} ##### Mr Bryant:
ALP -- The answer to the honourable member's question is as follows: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. 5,055. 1. The main reasons for the removal of names from the list were that applicants had- {: type="a" start="a"} 0. ceased to be employed in the A.C.T.; 1. failed to notify change of address; 2. purchased a house privately; or 3. requested transfer to the land list. Apart from 834 cancellations due to transfers to the land list, statistics on the breakdown of cancellation by reason are not kept. 'Advance Australia Fair' (Question No. 746) {: #subdebate-29-47-s2 .speaker-DQF} ##### Mr Snedden: asked the Prime Minister, upon notice: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. 1 ) Does the Government intend to introduce words that can be used in conjunction with 'Advance Australia Fair'. 1. ) If so, when and how will the words be chosen. {: #subdebate-29-47-s3 .speaker-6U4} ##### Mr Whitlam:
ALP -- The answer to the right honourable member's question is as follows: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. and (2) I have always taken the view that it is the music, and not the words, of a national anthem which is important. The lyrics of 'Advance Australia Fair' do exist, however, and while I have publicly acknowledged their inadequacy, there are at present no firm plans in relation to their improvement. {:#subdebate-29-48} #### Home Nursing Benefits (Question No. 748) {: #subdebate-29-48-s0 .speaker-DQF} ##### Mr Snedden: asked the Minister for Social Security, upon notice: >Is it the intention of the Government to extend health insurance benefits to home nursing visits. {: #subdebate-29-48-s1 .speaker-RK4} ##### Mr Hayden:
ALP -- The answer to the right honourable member's question is as follows: >Many of the registered health insurance organisations presently provide benefits in respect of home nursing charges. The benefits provided range from 50 cents per visit up to reimbursement for the full amounts charged. Under the Australian Health Insurance Program, private health insurance organisations will be able to offer coverage against the costs of ancillary and allied health services provided by private practitioners. > >The Australian Government has decided that Government support in this area will be directed under the Program to organisations which provide services on other than a feeforservice basis. The Hospitals and Health Services Commission will be given the opportunity of recommending a program of financial support through Health Program Grants for organisations providing ancillary and allied health services through contract arrangements. > >In addition the domiciliary nursing care benefit, administered by my Department, provides financial assistance to persons who care for aged chronically ill relatives in their own homes. This benefit is designed to help meet the cost of nursing and other professional treatment involved in caring for the patient. > >I would also remind the honourable member that there is also a subsidy paid to qualifying non-profit home-nursing organisations through the Home Nursing Subsidy Act, which is administered by my colleague, the Minister for Health. {:#subdebate-29-49} #### Welfare Rights Projects (Question No. 752) {: #subdebate-29-49-s0 .speaker-DQF} ##### Mr Snedden: asked the Minister for Social Security, upon notice: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. 1 ) Have pilot welfare rights projects been introduced. 1. If so, what is the purpose of each project, and where have they been introduced. 2. If not, when will each project be introduced. 3. ) What is a welfare rights officer. 4. How many are undergoing training in his Department 5. 6) What salary is payable to them during training 6. What is the nature of the training they are given. {: #subdebate-29-49-s1 .speaker-RK4} ##### Mr Hayden:
ALP -- The answer to the right honourable member's question is as follows: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. A number of voluntary organisations and ethnic groups in Sydney and Melbourne have been approached to establish a welfare rights service on a pilot basis for a period of twelve months. Already approval has been given to establish a service with the Council for the Single Mother and Her Child in Victoria. 1. The organisations concerned have been asked to submit proposals for welfare rights services appropriate to the needs of the people they serve. 2. A further nine pilot welfare rights services will be introduced when the relevant organisations have completed the preliminary planning. 3. Welfare rights officers will be employed by relevant organisations to assist particular groups of people to be better informed about social welfare and related services and to help those requiring help to exercise their rights to such services. They may act as advocates for individuals and for groups of individuals. 4. 5 ) None at present, but see answer to ( 7 ) below. 5. Salaries will be agreed between the organisations concerned and officers of my Department in the light of the salaries of other employees of the particular organisation and other relevant considerations. 6. Training will be determined according to the particular needs of each welfare rights worker. {:#subdebate-29-50} #### State Decentralisation Subsidies (Question No. 756) {: #subdebate-29-50-s0 .speaker-DQF} ##### Mr Snedden: asked the Treasurer, upon notice: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. Has his attention been drawn to criticism that has been directed towards the Government because of its treatment of State decentralisation subsidies as normal operating income of companies and thereby liable to tax. 1. What is his attitude to the criticism that this hampers the decentralisation promotion efforts of State Governments. {: #subdebate-29-50-s1 .speaker-JAG} ##### Mr Crean:
ALP -- The answer to the right honourable member's question is as follows: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. 1 ) Representations have been received on this matter. 1. In reply it has been pointed out that the Australian Government and the several State Governments provide a wide range of subsidies to enterprises for various purposes. Where these subsidies take the form of direct payments, they are required to be brought to account as assessable income; where they come in an indirect way, for example, through reductions in the prices of inputs, they would automatically be reflected in income levels. There is nothing contrary to equity or good sense in this. Whatever their form, the subsidies result in an enhancement of the financial position of the enterprises which benefit by them and it is proper that they pay more tax accordingly. It would certainly be anomalous if subsidies like a pay-roll tax rebate were exempt from tax while the additional income generated through other kinds of subsidies continued to be subject to tax in the ordinary way. It has also been pointed out that the rebates of pay-roll tax allowed under the old export incentive scheme were included in assessable income up to the dme the pay-roll tax was transferred to the States and that the grants based on notional pay-roll tax which have replaced the rebates are similarly treated. There would be some inconsistency if the Australian Government taxed rebates given under its own jurisdiction but exempted those given under State jurisdiction. Finally, I mention that State schemes of pay-roll tax rebates have the effect of encouraging a dispersed approach to decentralisation. The policy of the Australian Government, on the other hand, is one of promoting the accelerated growth of selected centres. {:#subdebate-29-51} #### Department of Minerals and Energy: Management Consultant Firms (Question No. 790) {: #subdebate-29-51-s0 .speaker-DQF} ##### Mr Snedden: asked the Minister for Minerals and Energy, upon notice: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. 1 ) For what purpose has the Department used management consultant firms in the last 1 2 months. 1. Which firms have been used. 2. What was the total cost. {: #subdebate-29-51-s1 .speaker-K0O} ##### Mr Connor:
ALP -- The answer to the right honourable member's question is as follows: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. None. 1. None. 2. Nil.See(l)and(2). {:#subdebate-29-52} #### Nursing Homes: Profitability (Question No. 854) {: #subdebate-29-52-s0 .speaker-SH4} ##### Dr Klugman: asked the Minister for Social Security, upon notice: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. 1 ) Does any survey of the financial accounts of commercial nursing homes, in each of the States in recent years, indicate the range of profitability per bed, per year, over the range of homes surveyed; if so, what are the details. 1. Can he give the mean, mode and median profitability per bed. {: #subdebate-29-52-s1 .speaker-RK4} ##### Mr Hayden:
ALP -- The answer to the honourable member's question is as follows: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. and (2) The following information was extracted from a survey of income and expenditure statements, for the financial year 1972-73, provided to my Department by proprietors of private gain nursing homes: The profit for individual homes included in the above figures could be additional to any salary or wages paid to the proprietors. {:#subdebate-29-53} #### Victorian Branch of Australian Labor Party: Salary of Officers (Question No. 857) {: #subdebate-29-53-s0 .speaker-JRD} ##### Mr Bourchier:
BENDIGO, VICTORIA asked the Prime Minister, upon notice: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. 1 ) With reference to the recently announced increase of SO per cent in the salaries of certain officers of the Victorian Branch of the Australian Labor Party, did he telegraph this organisation requesting restraint at the same time that he telegraphed State Premiers seeking their co-operation on this matter. 1. If not, will he seek restraint by the Victorian Branch, and request that the salary increase be deferred. {: #subdebate-29-53-s1 .speaker-6U4} ##### Mr Whitlam:
ALP -- The answer to the honourable member's question is as follows: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. and (2) Unlike the Liberal Party, the Australian Labor Party's organisation is financed entirely from the contributions of its members. Consequently the various Branches of the Australian Labor Party are unable to pay their officers and staff the excessive salaries which the Liberal Party pays its officers, both those of its Secretariat and those seconded to its Parliamentary Leader's Offices by its Secretariat. It is my view that the salaries newly determined for the Officers of the Victorian Branch of the Australian Labor Party are overdue and appropriate. {:#subdebate-29-54} #### Apprentices (Question No. 26) {: #subdebate-29-54-s0 .speaker-DQF} ##### Mr Snedden: asked the Minister for Labor and Immigration, upon notice: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. What apprenticeship courses are provided in each State. 1. How many entered these apprenticeships in each of the last 5 years. 2. 3 ) What proportion of apprentices in each category were women. {: #subdebate-29-54-s1 .speaker-2V4} ##### Mr CLYDE CAMERON:
HINDMARSH, SOUTH AUSTRALIA · ALP -- The answer to the right honourable member's question is as follows: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. 1 ) The apprenticeship courses provided in each State are set out in the Schedule to this reply. 1. The number of persons who entered apprenticeships were: {: type="1" start="3"} 0. Statistics supplied by the States to the Australian Apprenticeship Advisory Committee, and thus available to my Department, do not differentiate as to the sex of apprentices. {: .page-start } page 1195 {:#debate-30} ### SCHEDULE BUILDING TRADES NEW SOUTH WALES Bricklaying Carpentry and Joinery Bridge Wharf and Engineering Construction Floor and Wall Tiling Solid Plastering Plumbing Fibrous Plaster and Plaster Board Painting and Decorating Signwriting {: .page-start } page 1195 {:#debate-31} ### VICTORIA Carpentry and Joinery Bricklaying Fibrous Plastering Painting, Decorating and Signwriting Plastering Plumbing and Gasfitting Tile Laying Floor Finishing and Covering {: .page-start } page 1195 {:#debate-32} ### QUEENSLAND Bricklaying Plastering(Solid, Fibrous) Stonemasonry Painting and Decorating Signwriting and Pictorial and Screen Processing Tiling Floor/Wall Carpentry and Joinery Plumbing {: .page-start } page 1195 {:#debate-33} ### SOUTH AUSTRALIA Bricklaying Carpenter and Joiner Plasterer-Fibrous/Solid Plumber Painting, Signwriting and Decorating {: .page-start } page 1195 {:#debate-34} ### WESTERN AUSTRALIA Bricklaying Carpentry and Joinery Plumbing Solid Plastering Plastering ( Fibrous) Painting, Signwriting and Decorating {: .page-start } page 1195 {:#debate-35} ### TASMANIA Bricklaying Carpentry and Joinery Painting and Decorating Plastering Plumbing Glazing {: .page-start } page 1195 {:#debate-36} ### ELECTRICAL TRADES {: .page-start } page 1195 {:#debate-37} ### NEW SOUTH WALES Electrical Mechanics Electrical Fitters and Mechanics Electrical Fitters (Auto) Radio Mechanics Telegraph Mechanics Instrument Making (Aircraft Strand ) Instrument Making (Industrial Strand) {: .page-start } page 1195 {:#debate-38} ### VICTORIA Electrical Trades Automotive Electricians Aircraft Mechanic (Electrical ) Electrical Fitting Radio Tradesmen Electrical Fitting and /or Armature Winding Linesman {: .page-start } page 1195 {:#debate-39} ### QUEENSLAND Electrical Fitter Mechanic Electrical Fitter Auto Radio /TV Mechanic {: .page-start } page 1195 {:#debate-40} ### SOUTH AUSTRALIA Auto Electrician Electrical Fitter/Mechanic Radio Tradesman {: .page-start } page 1195 {:#debate-41} ### WESTERN AUSTRALIA Electrical Fitting Electrical Installing Automotive Electrical Fitting Radio and TV Servicing {: .page-start } page 1196 {:#debate-42} ### TASMANIA Automotive Electrician Electrical Mechanics Radio and TV Mechanics {: .page-start } page 1196 {:#debate-43} ### FOOD TRADES {: .page-start } page 1196 {:#debate-44} ### NEW SOUTH WALES Bread Manufacture Butchery Commercial Cookery Dairy Produce and By Products Pastry cooking Smallgoods Manufacturing {: .page-start } page 1196 {:#debate-45} ### VICTORIA Breadmaking and Baking Butchering and Smallgoods Making Cooking Pastrycooking Waiting {: .page-start } page 1196 {:#debate-46} ### QUEENSLAND Bread Baking Cooking Pastrycooking Butchering ( Retail ) {: .page-start } page 1196 {:#debate-47} ### SOUTH AUSTRALIA Butcher Cook Commercial Cook Pastry and Cake {: .page-start } page 1196 {:#debate-48} ### WESTERN AUSTRALIA Baking Pastrycooking Cooking Meat Industry {: .page-start } page 1196 {:#debate-49} ### TASMANIA Butchery Cooking {: .page-start } page 1196 {:#debate-50} ### VEHICLE TRADES {: .page-start } page 1196 {:#debate-51} ### NEW SOUTH WALES Motor Body Building Panel Beating Vehicle Painting Vehicle Trimming {: .page-start } page 1196 {:#debate-52} ### VICTORIA Automotive Machining, 1st Class Panel Working, Panel Beating Tradesman Painter Tradesman Trimmer {: .page-start } page 1196 {:#debate-53} ### QUEENSLAND Coach and Motor Body Building Panel Beating Coach and Motor Painting Coach and Motor Trimming {: .page-start } page 1196 {:#debate-54} ### SOUTH AUSTRALIA Motor Painter and Liner Motor Trimmer Panel Beater {: .page-start } page 1196 {:#debate-55} ### WESTERN AUSTRALIA Vehicle Body Building Spray Painting Painting (Railways) Panel Beating Vehicle Trimming Fuel Injection Fitting {: .page-start } page 1196 {:#debate-56} ### TASMANIA Vehicle Painting Panel Beating and Motorbody Working {: .page-start } page 1196 {:#debate-57} ### OTHER TRADES {: .page-start } page 1196 {:#debate-58} ### NEW SOUTH WALES Bespoke and Surgical Bootmaking Cabinetmaking Clicking Finishing Flat Glass Trades French Polishing Gradening Greenkeeping Jewellery Knitting Mechanics Ladies Hairdressing Making-lasting and Attaching Mens Hairdressing Pattern Cutting and Design Pattern Grading and Making Shipbuilding Shoe Repairing Stuff Cutting and Preparation Tailors Cutting Upholstering Weaving Mechanics Wood Turning Woodworking Machinery Yarn Manufacture {: .page-start } page 1196 {:#debate-59} ### VICTORIA Shipwrighting and Boatbuilding Polishing ( Furniture ) Upholstering Cabinet Making Chair and Couch Making Wood Carving Wood Machining Dental Mechanic Jewellery Making and Repairing Flat Glass Working Dry Cleaning Footwear- Clicking Stuffcutting Making Finishing Footwear Patterncutting Garden and Turf Management Ladies Hairdressing Mens Hairdressing Sewing Machine Mechanic Garment Cutting Spinning 1st Class {: .page-start } page 1196 {:#debate-60} ### QUEENSLAND Upholstering Boat Building Cabinet Making French Polishing Wood Machining Dental Technician Jewellery Ladies Hairdressing Mens Hairdressing Shipwrighting {: .page-start } page 1197 {:#debate-61} ### SOUTH AUSTRALIA Dental Mechanic Footwear Trades Furniture Polisher Furniture Upholsterer Glass Worker Mens Hairdressing Ladies Hairdressing Jewellery Shipbuilder Wood Machinist Cabinet Makers ( Including Chairmaking) {: .page-start } page 1197 {:#debate-62} ### WESTERN AUSTRALIA Cabinet Making Chairmaking Wood Machining Wood Turning Upholstery French Polishing Shipwrighting Gents Hairdressing Ladies Hairdressing Dental Technician Timber Machining {: .page-start } page 1197 {:#debate-63} ### TASMANIA Cabinet Making Woodworking Machine Ladies Hairdressing Mens Hairdressing {: .page-start } page 1197 {:#debate-64} ### PRINTING TRADES {: .page-start } page 1197 {:#debate-65} ### NEW SOUTH WALES Bookbinding Composing Machine Mechanic Gravure Planning and Etching Hand and Machine Composing Letterpress Printing Lithography Lithographic Platemaking and Camera Operating Proofing and Finishing Metal Printing Photo Engraving and Etching Photomechanical Camera Operating Gravure Retouching and Dot Etching Screen Printing Stencil Preparation Stereotyping Retouching and Dot Etching Paper Ruling {: .page-start } page 1197 {:#debate-66} ### VICTORIA Bookbinding and Association Trades Hand and Machine Composition Hand Composition Letterpress Printing Photo Imposing on Metal Litho Camera Operating and Associated Trades Litho Platemaking and/or Litho Printing Paper Ruling and /or Guillotine Machine Operating Photo Engraving, Camera Operating and/or Photo Engraving Photo Engraving, Etching and Associated Trades Screen Stencil Preparation Stereotyping and /or Electrotyping Lithographic Art and Designing and Associated Trades Flexible Packaging, Printing (Flexographic and/or Gravure) Linotype Mechanic Bookbinding Stereotyping {: .page-start } page 1197 {:#debate-67} ### QUEENSLAND Bookbinding Stereotyping Letterpress printing Composing Lithographic Printing (Camera Operating) Lithographic Printing and Platemaking Photoengraving {: .page-start } page 1197 {:#debate-68} ### SOUTH AUSTRALIA Bookbinder Hand Compositor Hand and Machine Compositor Letterpress Printer Lithographic Dot-Etcher and Re-touching Lithographic Platemaker Lithographic Printer Paper Ruler Photo Engraving Camera Operator Photo Engraving Etcher Photo Engraving Finisher Rotary Machine Printer {: .page-start } page 1197 {:#debate-69} ### WESTERN AUSTRALIA Bookbinding and Guillotine Operating and Paper Ruling Camera Operating, Platemaking and Photo Imposing Hand Composing Letterpress Machining Machine Composing Lithographic Machining Photo Engraving, Etching and Finishing Composing Room Machines Stereotyping {: .page-start } page 1197 {:#debate-70} ### TASMANIA Bookbinding Linotype Operator Monotype Operator Hand Composing Letterpress Machining {: .page-start } page 1197 {:#debate-71} ### METAL TRADES {: .page-start } page 1197 {:#debate-72} ### NEW SOUTH WALES Aircraft Maintenance Engineering Plant Mechanics Coppers mithing Automotive Engineering Fitting and Machining Sheetmetal Refrigeration Mechanics Watchmaking Industrial Blacksmith Boilermaking Patternmaking Welding Industrial Engraving Metal Spinning Optical Mechanics Saw Doctoring and Saw Making Aircraft Sheetmetal Founding Toolmaking Office Equipment Mechanic {: .page-start } page 1197 {:#debate-73} ### VICTORIA Aircraft Mechanic (Airframe) Aircraft Mechanics (Engine) Blacksmithing Boilermaking and Structural Steel Fabrication Brass Finishing Coppersmithing and/or Brass Smithing Fitting and/or Turning and Machining Jobbing Moulding, and/or Coremaking Patternmaking Sheetmetal, 1st Class Electroplating Hollow-wear Polishing Instrument Making and Repairing Silvers mithing Watch and/or Clockmaking Motor Mechanics Refrigeration Mechanics Sheetmetal, 1st Class (Aircraft) Optical Fitting and Surfacing QUEENSLAND Aircraft Mechanics Fitting and Turning Fitter Diesel and Heavy Duty Equipment Optical Mechanics Refrigeration Mechanics Blacksmithing Adding Machine, etc, Mechanics Moulding Patternmaking Typewriter Mechanics Watchmaking Boilermaking Sheetmetal Working Motor Mechanics SOUTH AUSTRALIA Blacksmith Boilermaker Finer and Turner Moulder Patternmaker Refrigeration Mechanic Sheetmetal Worker Welder Motor Mechanic Optical Mechanic Saw Doctoring WESTERN AUSTRALIA Aircraft Maintenance Engineering Motor Mechanic Blacksmithing Coppersmithing Fitting and Machining Instrument Fitting Sheetmetal Working Mechanical Fitting Metal Construction Welding, 1st Class Business Machine Mechanics Leadburning Moulding and Coremaking Saw Doctoring Patternmaking Refrigeration Fitting TASMANIA Boilermaking/ Welding Diesel Fitting Fitting and Machining Motor Mechanic Patternmaking Sheetmetal Working Refrigeration Mechanics {:#subdebate-73-0} #### Productivity Groups (Question No. 27) {: #subdebate-73-0-s0 .speaker-DQF} ##### Mr Snedden: asked the Minister for Labor and Immigration, upon notice: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. With reference to the answer to question No. 1566 (Hansard, 13 December 1973, page 4816) in which he indicated that 53 positions are currently provided in his Department specifically for productivity action, what is the classification and function of each position. 1. How many of the additional positions provided since 1972 have been newly created. 2. How many of the extra positions were already established but have had extra responsibilities allocated to them so that the functions of the position now include productivity action. {: #subdebate-73-0-s1 .speaker-2V4} ##### Mr CLYDE CAMERON:
HINDMARSH, SOUTH AUSTRALIA · ALP -- The answer to the right honourable member's question is as follows: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. (a) Classification of positions as follows: Second Division, Assistant Secretary, Level 1, 1. Third Division, Clerk, Class 10, 2; Clerk, Class 8, 3; Clerk, Class 7, 3; Clerk, Class 6, 9; Clerk, Class 5, 23; Clerk, Class 4,6; Clerk, Class 2/3, 1. Fourth Division, Clerical Assistant, 4; Steno-secretary, Grade 1, 1. Total: 53. {: type="a" start="1"} 0. b) Functions of positions as follows: Central Office: Overall planning and direction of national productivity action. Executive Director of Productivity Promotion Council of Australia: 1 Assistant Secretary. Development of productivity groups and information service: 1 Class 10; 1 Class 7. Development of productivity projects and training aids for use within PPCA and productivity groups: 1 Class 10; 2 Class 8;1 Class 5. Production of productivity publications:1 Class 8. General support and administration: 1 Class 4;1 Class 2/3; 1 Clerical Assistant;1 Steno-secretary Grade 1. State Offices. Planning and directing State productivity action: 2 Class 7; 4 Class 6. Servicing productivity groups including provision of training: 3 Class 6; 13 Class 5. Membership expansion and publications: 2 Class 6; 4 Class 5. Servicing Productivity Promotion Council of Australia and arranging productivity seminars, conferences, etc: 5 Class 5. General support and administration: 5 Class 4; 3 Clerical Assistants. {: type="1" start="2"} 0. 14 positions. 1. None. {:#subdebate-73-1} #### Australian Industry: Occupational Diseases (Question No. 28) {: #subdebate-73-1-s0 .speaker-DQF} ##### Mr Snedden: asked the Minister for Labor and Immigration, upon notice: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. 1 ) Can he provide details of the level of occupational diseases contracted by employees in Australian Industry in each of the last 5 years, in particular, the level of the incidence of (a) silicosis, (b) asbestosis, and (c) other lung diseases related to industrial causes. 1. What industrial measures have been or are being implemented to prevent or counteract such incidences in industry. {: #subdebate-73-1-s1 .speaker-2V4} ##### Mr CLYDE CAMERON:
HINDMARSH, SOUTH AUSTRALIA · ALP -- I am informed that the answer to the right honourable member's quesnon is as follows: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. There are no national statistics available on occupational diseases contracted by employees in Australian industry. In New South Wales, Victoria, Queensland and South Australia occupational disease statistics based on workers' compensation claims are published, but these statistics do not give a detailed breakdown on lung diseases. Because of differences in State compensation laws, occupational disease statistics are not collected on a uniform basis. Statistics that are available over the five years 1968-69 to 1972-73 are given below. NEW SOUTH WALES Statistics based on returns which insurers supplied to the Workers' Compensation Commission in respect of claims submitted but including those for which the duration of incapacity was less than four days, are given in Table I. SOUTH AUSTRALIA Statistics based on claims for workers' compensation finalised or becoming three years old during each reporting period but excluding cases for which the duration of incapability was less than one week, are given in Table IV. Statistics based on awards made under the Workers' Compensation (Dust Diseases) Act for cases of disease caused by inhalation of dust (except in coal mines and Broken Hill mines), are given in Table II. QUEENSLAND Statistics based on claims for workers' compensation finalised or becoming three years old during each reporting period but excluding cases for which the duration of disability was less than one full shift, are given in Table V. VICTORIA Statistics based on claims for workers' compensation finalised or becoming three years old during each reporting period but excluding cases for which the duration of incapacity was less than one week, are given in Table III. {: type="1" start="2"} 0. AllStateshave legislationfor the control of atmos pheric contaminants in the working environment and a committee appointed by the Australian Government has recently prepared, for the Government's consideration, a draft Code of General Principles of Occupational Safety and Health for application in Australian Government employment which deal, inter alia, with the control of harmful chemical and physical agents including air-borne contaminants. There is also continuing collaboration between the Australian and State Departments of Labour and Health with the objective of developing uniform measures for the attainment and maintenance of a safe working environment and the prevention of occupational diseases. {:#subdebate-73-2} #### Treasury: Training in Financial and Auditing Procedures (Question No. 341) {: #subdebate-73-2-s0 .speaker-DQF} ##### Mr Snedden: asked the Treasurer, upon notice: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. How many officers in his Department have been given some form of formal training in financial or auditing procedures used in Commonwealth departments in the last 12 months. 1. 2 ) What is the division and classification of these officers. 2. How many of these officers were in operational, as distinct from financial or accounting, positions in the Service. {: #subdebate-73-2-s1 .speaker-JAG} ##### Mr Crean:
ALP -- The answer to the right honourable member's question is as follows: >I refer the right honourable member's attention to the answer provided by the Prime Minister to Parliamentary Question No. 329 (Hansard pages 626 and 627). Department of Labor and Immigration: Training in Financial and Auditing Procedures (Question No. 364) {: #subdebate-73-2-s2 .speaker-DQF} ##### Mr Snedden: asked the Minister for Labor and Immigration, upon notice: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. How many officers in his Department have been given some form of formal training in financial or auditing procedures used in Commonwealth departments in the last 12 months. 1. ) What is the division and classification of these officers. 2. How many of these officers were in operational, as distinct from financial or accounting, positions in the Service. {: #subdebate-73-2-s3 .speaker-2V4} ##### Mr CLYDE CAMERON:
HINDMARSH, SOUTH AUSTRALIA · ALP -- I am informed that the answer to the right honourable member's question is as follows: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. 1 ) During the past 12 months 26 officers of my Department have received some form of formal training in financial or auditing procedures used in Australian Government Departments. 1. Of these officers 25 were from the Third Division and 1 from the Fourth Division. Those from the Third Division were: 1 Clerk (Class 1 1 ); 1 Clerk (Class 9); 1 Clerk (Class 8); 3 Clerks (Class 7); 1 Clerk (Class 4); 5 Clerks (Class 2/3); 2 Clerks (Class 1 ) (Graduate); 1 1 Clerks (Class 1 ). The Fourth Division officer was a Clerical Assistant (Grade 3). {: type="1" start="3"} 0. Twenty-four of these officers were in operational positions. {:#subdebate-73-3} #### Department of Labor and Immigration: Women's Bureau (Question No. 366) {: #subdebate-73-3-s0 .speaker-DQF} ##### Mr Snedden: asked the Minister for Labor and Immigration, upon notice: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. When was the Women's Bureau in his Department established, and what was its initial staffing establishment. 1. ) What was its establishment as at 2 December 1 972. 2. What is its present staffing establishment, and what are the functions of each position. 3. How many of the officers currently employed in the Bureau are women. 4. Who are they. 5. 6 ) In what positions are they employed. {: #subdebate-73-3-s1 .speaker-2V4} ##### Mr CLYDE CAMERON:
HINDMARSH, SOUTH AUSTRALIA · ALP -- I am informed that the answer to the right honourable member's question is as follows: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. The Women's Bureau was established in 1967 in the then Department of Labour and National Service with an initial establishment of 3 positions. It replaced the former Women 's Section which was set up in 1 963. 1. The Bureau's establishment at 2 December 1972 was 5 positions. 2. , (4), (5) and (6) There are still 5 positions in the Bureau but the establishment is under review. The Bureau is concerned with policies and measures related to women preparing to enter, in and leaving the work force, research into existing and emerging problems in these areas and liaison with appropriate organisations. The Bureau is headed by a Director, **Mrs R.** Lyne-Browne, who is a member of the ILO Panel of Consultants on the Problems of Women Workers. A Senior Research Officer and 2 Research Officers are primarily engaged on research activities and liaison with local organisations. The Senior Research Officer is Miss C. James. One of the positions of Research Officer is held by **Ms S.** Dunlop; action is being taken to fill the other position. A Clerical Assistant gives clerical support to the other officers of the Bureau. The position is held by **Mrs G.** Griffin. Department of Labor and Immigration (Immigration Section): Training in Financial and Auditing Procedures (Question No. 367) {: #subdebate-73-3-s2 .speaker-DQF} ##### Mr Snedden: asked the Minister for Labor and Immigration, upon notice: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. 1 ) How many officers in the Department of Immigration had been given some form of formal training in financial or auditing procedures used in Commonwealth departments in the last 12 months. 1. What was the division and classification of these officers. 2. How many of these officers were in operational, as distinct from financial or accounting, positions in the Service. {: #subdebate-73-3-s3 .speaker-2V4} ##### Mr CLYDE CAMERON:
HINDMARSH, SOUTH AUSTRALIA · ALP -- I am informed that the answer to the right honourable member's question is as follows: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. 2 Officers. 1. Third Division: Class 1 1, Class 9. 2. Both officers were in operational areas. {:#subdebate-73-4} #### Social Welfare Commission (Question No. 464) {: #subdebate-73-4-s0 .speaker-QH4} ##### Mr Kerin: asked the Minister for Social Security, upon notice: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. What is the establishment of the Social Welfare Commission. 1. ) How many of these positions are staffed. 2. What ceiling has been placed on the staff of the Commission in line with the Government's decision to limit Public Service growth. 3. Which body under his control is responsible for formulation and implementation of the Australian Assistance Plan. 4. What arrangements exist for coordination between his Department and the Commission. 5. Has the Deputy Chairman of the Commission been appointed. 6. If so, who is the appointee, and what are his or her qualifications. {: #subdebate-73-4-s1 .speaker-RK4} ##### Mr Hayden:
ALP -- The answer to the honourable member's question is as follows: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. There were 22 created positions on the establishment as at 30 July 1974. The Public Service Board has agreed to the creation of a further nine positions and, subject to completion of the necessary formal processes, the establishment of the Social Welfare Commission will increase to 29. 1. At 30 July 1974, there were 29 officers and employees on the staff of the Commission. Promotions or appointments have been made to 14 of the 22 created positions, but only 9 of these officers have commenced with the Commission. The balance of the staff is made up of officers on loan to the Commission from the Department of Social Security and elsewhere, temporary employees, and graduate clerks. 2. Up to 30 June 1974, the Commission's staff was included in the staff ceiling for the Department of Social Security. Advice has now been received from the Public Service Board that a separate staff ceiling of 30 for the Commission is being provided for 1 974-75. 3. The Social Welfare Commission has been responsible for the formulation of policy for the Australian Assistance Plan. The Department of Social Security is responsible for implementation. 4. Committee and Working Party meetings between the staff of the Social Welfare Commission and the Department of Social Security are held frequently. There is daily consultation at the officer level on a variety of matters. 5. and (7) A Deputy Chairman has not yet been appointed. {:#subdebate-73-5} #### Leyland Motor Corporation of Australia Ltd: Retrenchments (Question No. 509) {: #subdebate-73-5-s0 .speaker-0J4} ##### Mr Ruddock: asked the Minister for Labor and Immigration, upon notice: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. 1 ) Did 625 people formerly employed by Leyland Motor Corporation of Australia Limited register as unemployed. 1. Have all but 32 obtained another job. 2. What was the sex, age, nationality, and educational attainment in respect of (a) those since employed amd (b) those 32 still unemployed. 3. *In* what capacity were each *of* the employees dismissed by Leyland Motor Corporation of Australia Limited formerly employed. 4. In what capacity is each of the persons, for whom employment has been found, now employed. 5. Were any of the former employees employed by Federal, State, or local government bodies or statutory corporations. 6. Who now employs each of the 596 re-employed persons. {: #subdebate-73-5-s1 .speaker-2V4} ##### Mr CLYDE CAMERON:
HINDMARSH, SOUTH AUSTRALIA · ALP -- I am informed that the answer to the honourable member's question is as follows: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. Information provided to my Department by the Leyland Motor Corporation of Australia Ltd indicated that they had retrenched 628 employees: of this number only 39 had registered for employment with the Commonwealth Employment Service to the end of June 1 974. 1. I am unable to say how many had obtained another job. However, by 29 July no person who had been retrenched was still seeking employment through the Commonwealth Employment Service. 2. Information is only available in respect of the sex and broad age grouping of the 39 former employees who had registered with the Commonwealth Employment Service to the end of June: 30 were adult males, 7 adult females, and 2 junior males. 3. Information provided by the Company showed the occupational classification of the 628 employees retrenched to be as follows: (5), (6) and (7) The information sought is not available. {:#subdebate-73-6} #### Department of Labor and Immigration: Research Unit (Question No. 562) {: #subdebate-73-6-s0 .speaker-DQF} ##### Mr Snedden: asked the Minister for Labor and Immigration, upon notice: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. 1 ) Has a research unit been established within his Department to forecast future trends; if so, who are the members of it. 1. Is it a function of the unit to make forecasts up to 18 months ahead. 2. Have any forecasts been prepared yet; if so, will they be made public. {: #subdebate-73-6-s1 .speaker-2V4} ##### Mr CLYDE CAMERON:
HINDMARSH, SOUTH AUSTRALIA · ALP -- I am informed that the answer to the right honourable member's question is as follows: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. As part of a re-organisation of my Department, a Manpower and Economic Policy Division has been created to facilitate the development of the Government's comprehensive manpower policy. It has taken over those functions of the former Planning and Research Division that are relevant to its new task, and comprises the following Branches (whose functions are indicated by their titles) - Manpower Policy and Planning Economic Studies and Information Manpower Evaluation and Review A capacity to undertake the forecasting of future trends is being developed (as staffing permits) in the first two Branches, and particularly in the Manpower Policy and Planning Branch with respect to the medium and longer term manpower situation in Australia. {: type="1" start="2"} 0. In due course, staffing and model development permitting, forecasts for various periods will be made as required. 1. The right honourable member should be aware that the 'state of the art' with respect to manpower forecasting is not highly advanced as yet, and is relatively new in Australia. It will take time to develop this capacity, but my Department intends to make public any forecasts it prepares and the assumptions on which they are based. {:#subdebate-73-7} #### Industrial Relations: Inquiry (Question No. 563) {: #subdebate-73-7-s0 .speaker-DQF} ##### Mr Snedden: asked the Minister for Labor and Immigration, upon notice: >When will the Government establish the promised inquiry into all aspects of industrial relations in Australia. {: #subdebate-73-7-s1 .speaker-2V4} ##### Mr CLYDE CAMERON:
HINDMARSH, SOUTH AUSTRALIA · ALP -- I am informed that the answer to the right honourable member's question is as follows: >There remains a pressing need to consider what might be done to promote sound and effective industrial relations policies in Australia in the longer term and to ensure that the machinery and the procedures for implementing policies are the best that can be devised. However, an inquiry to investigate and report on means of achieving these longer-term objectives cannot be undertaken until there is a greater degree of stability in the current state of industrial relations. This will not be achieved until legislation to remendy existing deficiencies in the Conciliation and Arbtration Act is passed by both Houses of this Parliament. Accordingly, it is in the hands of the right honourable gentleman and his party to determine when the inquiry will proceed. If they really wish to see improvement in industrial relations in Australia they should assist in the passing of legislation which will ensure that there is a basis for stable industrial relations in this country. {:#subdebate-73-8} #### Defence Service Homes (Question No. 572) {: #subdebate-73-8-s0 .speaker-DQF} ##### Mr Snedden: asked the Minister for Housing and Construction, upon notice: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. 1 ) Does he support the claims by ex-servicewomen's associations for amendment to the Defence Service Homes Act to cover service within Australia during the Second World War. 1. Has his attention been drawn, for example, to the anomaly that the Government has created whereby regular servicemen and servicewomen who have completed three years effective full-time service on or after 7 December 1972 are eligible for a loan no matter where they served. 2. Will he give an assurance that the Act will be amended to meet the ex-servicewomen's request. {: #subdebate-73-8-s1 .speaker-K9M} ##### Mr Les Johnson:
HUGHES, NEW SOUTH WALES · ALP -- The answer to the right honourable member's question is as follows: (1), (2) and (3) Upon taking office in 1972, the Labor Government undertook a comprehensive review of the then War Service Homes Scheme and made several major changes which were incorporated in the Defence Service Homes Act 1973. Among other things, the changes included an extension of the eligibility provisions to include a person who has served on continuous full-time service as a member of the Defence Force, not being service that ended before 7 December 1972 and, during that service, has, whether before or after that date, completed three years' effective fulltime service as such a member. This extension which was foreshadowed in the Prime Minister's election policy speech, was brought about because of the Government's decision to abolish conscription into the armed forces and to fulfil its stated aim of introducing conditions of service that will attract and retain regular service personnel in peacetime. In the course of the review, the question of extending the Defence Service Homes Scheme to members of the Citizen Military Force and the Women's Forces, who served in Australia during the 1939-4S War, was considered, but it was decided that, for the time being at least, there would be no change in the eligibility conditions relating to service in these Forces in the 1 939-45 War. The matter is, of course, being kept in mind for consideration along with other possible future changes in the Defence Service Homes Act, but as it involves a question of future Government policy I cannot give any indication whether the Act will be amended to cover service within Australia during the 1939-45 War. Nuclear Weapons Testing by China and Russia (Question No. 660) {: #subdebate-73-8-s2 .speaker-K9L} ##### Mr Garland: asked the Minister representing the Minister for Foreign Affairs, upon notice: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. Did the Government deliver protest notes to the Chinese and French Governments on 18 June 1974 for exploding nuclear devices in the atmosphere; if not, what form of protest took place; if so, were the notes in the same terms, or were they identical. 1. Was the note to the French Government a stronger protest in any respect; if so, why. 2. Was the protest in the notes in each case a protest against atmospheric testing, or testing in general. {: #subdebate-73-8-s3 .speaker-6U4} ##### Mr Whitlam:
ALP -- The Minister for Foreign Affairs has provided the following answer to the honourable member's question: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. 1 ) Yes; the Notes were identical as regards the terms in which the Government's concern at the atmospheric testing of nuclear weapons was expressed. 1. No; although the note to the French Government did contain a reference to one matter not included in the Note to the Chinese Government, namely, the further disregard by the government of France of the order of the International Court of Justice dated 22 June 1973. 2. The protest in the Notes in each case was a protest against atmospheric nuclear weapons testing. {:#subdebate-73-9} #### United Nations University (Question No. 697) {: #subdebate-73-9-s0 .speaker-MI4} ##### Mr Peacock: asked the Minister representing the Minister for Foreign Affairs, upon notice: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. 1 ) What is the United Nations University. 1. ) What is Australia 's attitude to it. {: #subdebate-73-9-s1 .speaker-6U4} ##### Mr Whitlam:
ALP -- The Minister for Foreign Affairs has provided the following answer to the honourable member's question: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. Suggestions about a United Nations University were first put forward by the former Secretary-General of the United Nations, U Thant, in 1969. In 1972 the 27th General Assembly authorised the establishment of an International University which would consist of a Headquarters and Coordinating Centre together with a decentralised system of associated and affiliated universities throughout the world. In 1 973 an offer of a financial contribution of US$ 1 00m from Japan gave impetus to the project, and in November of that year a General Assembly resolution adopted a charter for the University and approved that its headquarters be located in Tokyo. Unlike the traditional concept of a post-secondary or graduate institution providing training of an educational and professional nature towards the granting of degrees to persons of a certain age group, the United Nations University is visualised as an inter-connected world-wide system of academic institutions devoted to advanced research and training, through an interdisciplinary approach, on problems of human survival, development and welfare. The official languages of the University are to be the official languages of the United Nations: Arabic, Chinese, English, French, Spanish and Russian. 1. The Australian Government supported the United Nations General Assembly Resolution which adopted a charter for the University and located the headquarters of the University in Tokyo. The University Council, in its first Session, has given preliminary consideration to the University's priorities and has made an appeal for funds. The Government, through the Department of Foreign Affairs, is following the Council's deliberations with sympathetic interest, but the question of financial support has been deferred until the University's objectives and organisational structure have been defined in more detail. United Nations Report on Youth (Question No. 698) {: #subdebate-73-9-s2 .speaker-MI4} ##### Mr Peacock: asked the Minister representing the Minister for Foreign Affairs, upon notice: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. Has the Minister's attention been drawn to the United Nations ' report on 'The World Situation of Youth: Its Needs and Aspirations'. 1. ) If so, will he make a copy available to Members. 2. Has the Government considered this report. 3. If so, what action is proposed concerning its recommendations. {: #subdebate-73-9-s3 .speaker-6U4} ##### Mr Whitlam:
ALP -- The Minister for Foreign Affairs has provided the following answer to the honourable member's question: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. Yes. 1. The library of the Department of Foreign Affairs will make copies available to the Parliamentary Library. 2. The resolutions arising from the report are currently being considered by the responsible Departments. 3. Departments have not yet completed their submissions on the recommendations arising from the report. The recommendations and comments on them by UN Member Governments will be reviewed at the 1975 Session of the Economic and Social Council's Commission on Social Development. United Nations Report on Youth: Advisory Group (Question No. 699) {: #subdebate-73-9-s4 .speaker-MI4} ##### Mr Peacock: asked the Minister representing the Minister for Foreign Affairs, upon notice: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. Has action on the United Nations' SecretaryGeneral's report on 'The World Situation of Youth: Its Needs and Aspirations' resulted in the establishment of an Advisory Group. 1. If so, has the Advisory Group suggested measures to improve international and national contacts between young people. 2. If so, what are these proposals, what action has the Australian Government taken on them, and what further action is proposed. {: #subdebate-73-9-s5 .speaker-6U4} ##### Mr Whitlam:
ALP -- The Minister for Foreign Affairs has provided the following answer to the honourable member's question: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. 1 ) The United Nations Secretary-General 's report on the 'World Social Situation of Youth: Its Needs and Aspirations' has not itself resulted in the establishment of an Advisory Group. However, a General Assembly resolution on the question of 'measures to be taken to establish channels of communication with youth and international youth organisations' adopted in December 1972, approved the convening of an Ad Hoc Advisory Group on Youth, which met from 20 to 28 August 1973. 1. Yes. 2. The Secretary-General in his report of 4 February 1974 endorsed a number of recommendations arising from the Report of the Advisory Group, which relate to measures to improve international and national contacts between young people, as follows: {: type="a" start="a"} 0. Promotion of development education and public information programs, the encouragement of contact between youth organisations at the international level, and of youth participation in the service of the United Nations and United Nations programs. 1. Assistance to Governments and United Nations organs, especially the regional economic commissions, to prepare systematic programs and series of projects to increase the involvement of youth in national development and in the promotion of human rights, with particular reference to the implementation of the International Development Strategy for the Second United Nations Development Decade. 2. Exchanges among bodies having special social and scientific knowledge of concerns related to youth, and the establishment of research projects on youth and eduction curricula on human rights, particularly in the UN University. 3. Elaboration of programs for seminars and symposia on youth within the framework of the program of advisory services of the United Nations, by: {: type="i" start="i"} 0. The Commission on Human Rights 1. The Commission on the Status of Women 2. Regional Economic Commissions. The Australian Goverment is studying these recommendations. The Secretary-General has proposed that additional meetings of the Advisory Group be convened to consider the question further in 1974 and 1975. ILO Convention on Occupational Cancer (Question No. 762) {: #subdebate-73-9-s6 .speaker-DQF} ##### Mr Snedden: asked the Minister for Labor and Immigration, upon notice: >When will the Government ratify the ILO Convention on occupational cancer. {: #subdebate-73-9-s7 .speaker-2V4} ##### Mr CLYDE CAMERON:
HINDMARSH, SOUTH AUSTRALIA · ALP -- I am informed that the answer to the right honourable member's question is as follows: >I am flattered that the right honourable member would expect a decision as to ratification of ILO Convention No. 139- Occuptional Cancer, 1974 to be imminent within a matter of weeks after its adoption by the 59th Session of the International Labour Conference on 24 June 1974. As yet copies of the authentic text of the Convention have not been received by my Department. As soon as copies are available they will be forwarded for advice regarding current law and practice and expert views regarding ratification to the appropriate federal and state authorities, the subject matter of the Convention being applicable in both areas of jurisdiction. It is therefore too early to indicate when a decision can be made regarding ratification. I can advise, however, that the Australian Government delegates to the Conference voted in favour of adoption of both the Convention and its accompanying Recommendation. > >Briefly, the Convention commits ratifying states, in consultation with the most representative organisations of employers and workers concerned to determine periodically which carcinogenic substances and agents should be prohibited or controlled; to replace them where possible by non-carcinogenic or less harmful substances and agents; to reduce both the number of workers exposed to carcinogenic substances and agents and the degree of such exposure to the minimum compatible with safety; to prescribe protective measures; to provide workers with all the available information on the dangers involved and on the measures to be taken; to monitor exposed workers' health during the period of employment and thereafter; and to give effect to these provision by laws or other methods. > >I welcome the right honourable member's question which indicates some awareness of the significance of the work of the ILO. For its pan, the Government attaches considerable importance to the ratification of ILO Conventions and since taking office has taken positive action to improve the poor record which Australia previously had in this respect. No doubt the right honourable member will be aware that 7 ILO > >Conventions have been ratified in the past 2 1 months including 3 Conventions dealing with basic human rights. Moreover, Australia was the first country to ratify Convention No. 137- Dock Work, 1973; the ratification took place on 25 June 1974, exactly 12 months after the Convention was adopted. Australia has now. ratified a total of 40 ILO Conventions and continuing action will be taken further to improve our ratification record. {:#subdebate-73-10} #### Management Consultant Firms (Question No. 792) {: #subdebate-73-10-s0 .speaker-DQF} ##### Mr Snedden: asked the Minister representing the Attorney-General, upon notice: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. For what purpose has the Attorney-General's Department used management consultant firms in the last 12 months. 1. Which firms have been used. 2. ) What was the total cost. {: #subdebate-73-10-s1 .speaker-8H7} ##### Mr Enderby:
ALP -- The Attorney-General has supplied the following answer to the right honourable member's question: >The Attorney-General's Department has not used any management consultant firms in the last 12 months. {:#subdebate-73-11} #### Management Consultant Firms (Question No. 794) {: #subdebate-73-11-s0 .speaker-DQF} ##### Mr Snedden: asked the Minister representing the Minister for Foreign Affairs, upon notice: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. 1 ) For what purpose has the Department of Foreign Affairs used Management Consultant firms in the last 12 months. 1. Which firms have been used. 2. What was the total cost. {: #subdebate-73-11-s1 .speaker-6U4} ##### Mr Whitlam:
ALP -- The Minister for Foreign Affairs has provided the following answer to the right honourable member's question: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. 1 ) The Department of Foreign Affairs has not engaged the services of any Management Consultant firms during the past 12 months. 1. and (3) See (1) above. {:#subdebate-73-12} #### Cocos (Keeling) Islands: Independence (Question No. 836) {: #subdebate-73-12-s0 .speaker-MI4} ##### Mr Peacock: asked the Minister representing the Minister for Foreign Affairs, upon notice: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. Did Australia vote in support of United Nations General Assembly Resolution 2984 (xxvii), on 14 December 1972, which inter alia called for a time-table to be established for the self-determination and independence of the Cocos (Keeling) Islands. 1. Did the Prime Minister say in the House of Representatives on 17 May 1973, in answer to a question addressed to him by me, that no consideration had been given to independence for the Cocos Islands and that he did not think anybody seriously considered that independence would be appropriate. 2. If the position is as stated, how is the inconsistency explained. 3. Which of the cases in parts ( 1 ) and (2 ) will be put to the forthcoming United Nations Visiting Mission. 4. If neither, is there a third alternative; if so, what is it. {: #subdebate-73-12-s1 .speaker-6U4} ##### Mr Whitlam:
ALP -- The Minister for Foreign Affairs has provided the following answer to the honourable member's question: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. Yes. 1. Yes. 2. I refer the honourable member to the full text of my answer to this question in the House of Representatives on 17 May 1973. 4 and S. The view of the Australian Government on the future political status of the Cocos (Keeling) Islands is that this should be determined with full regard to the freely expressed wishes of the inhabitants and in keeping with the principles of the United Nations Charter and the relevant United Nations Resolutions. The Australian Government has put forward this view in its discussions with members of the United Nations Visiting Mission to the Cocos (Keeling) Islands. {:#subdebate-73-13} #### Cocos (Keeling) Islands: United Nations Mission (Question No. 839) {: #subdebate-73-13-s0 .speaker-MI4} ##### Mr Peacock: asked the Minister representing the Minister for Foreign Affairs, upon notice: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. . Has the Department of Foreign Affairs prepared a submission for the members of the United Nations Mission soon to visit the Cocos (Keeling) Islands. 1. If so, what does the submission propose. 2. Will he table it in the Parliament. {: #subdebate-73-13-s1 .speaker-6U4} ##### Mr Whitlam:
ALP -- The Minister for Foreign Affairs has provided the following answer to the honourable member's question: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. The Department of Foreign Affairs has not prepared a submission for the United Nations Visiting Mission to the Cocos (Keeling) Islands. The Visiting Mission has, however, been given copies of the annual report on the Cocos (Keeling) Islands for 1972-73, which was prepared by the Department of the Special Minister of State, and which has already been tabled in the Parliament. 2 and 3. See answer to 1 . above. {:#subdebate-73-14} #### Limestone Resources (Question No. 8) {: #subdebate-73-14-s0 .speaker-DQF} ##### Mr Snedden: asked the Minister for Minerals and Energy, upon notice : {: type="1" start="1"} 0. 1 ) What are the estimated reserves of limestone within Australia. 1. Where are the deposits. 2. What is the present annual production of limestone. 3. What are our exports of limestone. 4. What proportion of the limestone deposits in Australia are situated in national parks. 5. Where are these deposits in these national parks. {: #subdebate-73-14-s1 .speaker-K0O} ##### Mr Connor:
ALP -- The answer to the right honourable member's question is as follows: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. No overall assessment of Australia's limestone resources has been carried out. It is generally accepted that they are very large. 1. New South Wales. The largest deposits form two elongated zones, one from north of Wellington southwards to near Cowra and the other from Mudgee south to near Lithgow and thence to near Bombala. Other deposits occur at Marulan, Kandos, Portland, Attunga, Yass, Tumut, Taree, Kempsey, Inverell and north of Broken Hill. Victoria. At Lilydale, Buchan, Traralgon between Sale and Rosedale and in the Geelong area. Queensland. The cays and reefs of the Great Barrier Reef contain enormous quantities of limestone. Deposits also occur at Moreton Bay, near Warwick, in the Gladstone area, at Rockhampton, in the Cloncurry-Mt Isa region and in the Townsville area. South Australia. At Rapid Bay, Klein Point, Angaston, Wardang Island, Coffin Bay and Mount Gambier. Western Australia. From the Shark Bay area to Esperance. At South Coogee, Spearwood, Rottnest Island, Denmark, Dongara, Bunbury, Southern Cross, south of Wiluna, near Lake Austin, in the Kimberley region, the Exmouth Gulf area and in the Nullabor Plain. Tasmania. At Ida Bay, Maydena, Railton, Pulbeena, Flowery Gully, Mole Creek, Melrose, Gordon River and Queenstown. Northern Territory. Coral reef deposits occur northeast of Darwin and calcareous beach sands in the Darwin area. Travertine is found near Alice Springs and sedimentary limestone near Katherine. {: type="1" start="3"} 0. 10,778,000 tonnes in 1973. 1. ) 540,750 tonnes in 1973. 2. and (6) See answer to ( 1 ). The proportion of deposits occurring in national parks is not known. State authorities may be able to provide information on deposits in particular national parks. {:#subdebate-73-15} #### Department of Agriculture: Appointment of Women (Question No. 107) {: #subdebate-73-15-s0 .speaker-DQF} ##### Mr Snedden: asked the Minister representing the Minister for Agriculture, upon notice: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. 1 ) How many women have been appointed to senior positions in the Department of Agriculture since 2 December 1972. 1. Who are they. 2. To what positions has each been appointed, and what is the function of the position. {: #subdebate-73-15-s1 .speaker-KXV} ##### Dr Patterson:
ALP -- The Minister for Agriculture has provided the following answer to the right honourable member's question: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. Two. 1. (i) Helen Craven Crisp. {: type="i" start="ii"} 0. ) Frances Mary-Lou Cassidy. 2. (i) H. C. Crisp-Clerk, Class 8. Edit all publications issued by the Bureau of Agricultural Economics. (ii) F. M-L. Cassidy, Clerk, Class 8. Provide executive and secretariat services to various committees serviced by the Fisheries Division. {:#subdebate-73-16} #### Tully District: Rain Forest Areas and Beef Production (Question No. 162) {: #subdebate-73-16-s0 .speaker-KVM} ##### Mr Street: asked the Minister for the Environment and Conservation, upon notice: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. 1 ) What area of rain forest has been cleared for beef production purposes in the Tully District, Queensland. 1. ) What is the total area of rain forest in the District. {: #subdebate-73-16-s1 .speaker-JNG} ##### Dr Cass:
ALP -- The answer to the honourable member's question is as follows: >I sought information on the matter from the Queensland State Minister for Lands and Forestry, the Honourable W. A. R. Rae, M.L.A. He has advised me that it is not possible to provide precise figures without a great deal of research in the field to establish the original limits of the rain forest and the purpose of any clearing that has been conducted. On the basis that the Cardwell Shire in which Tully is located is the area to which the honourable member refers the Queensland Minister has had his officers make the best estimates they can. These are as follows: > >About 10,000 hectares in all comprising some 1,500 hectares in the 1930s and the remainder in the 1960s when the industry expanded. > >About 1 14,000 hectares made up as follows: National Parks 12,000 hectares; State Forests, 83,000 hectares; vacant Crown Land and Private Land, 1 9,000 hectares. > >I will provide the honourable member with a copy of **Mr Rae** 's letter with further details. {:#subdebate-73-17} #### Naval Personnel: Buses (Question No. 169) {: #subdebate-73-17-s0 .speaker-2E4} ##### Mr Lloyd: asked the Minister for Defence, upon notice: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. 1 ) Is it a fact that 12 Naval Tradesmen have been travelling each day from HMAS 'Lonsdale ' at Port Melbourne in a chartered 42 seat bus to work on HMAS 'Derwent' at Williamstown, 12 miles away, while at the same time another chartered 42 seat bus also travels from HMAS Lonsdale' to HMAS 'Duchess' at Williamstown carrying 12 duty watch Naval personnel. 1. If so, is this an efficient use of departmental finance. {: #subdebate-73-17-s1 .speaker-JO8} ##### Mr Barnard:
ALP -- The answer to the honourable member's question is as follows: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. The Navy hires buses in the Melbourne area as required to transport to Williamstown the Fleet Maintenance Party and personnel from ships refitting at Williamstown who live at 'Lonsdale' or the Midway Hostel at Maribyrnong. The number of people using these buses varies from day to day. Present requirements are down and as it is now expected they will not rise again, the number of buses on hire has been reduced. The economies of long-term hire as against daily hire are an important factor here. At present one bus from 'Lonsdale' and one from Maribyrnong, both normally filled and supplemented where necessary by Service transport are being used to transport personnel to Williamstown. {: type="1" start="2"} 0. The arrangements are the most economical and convenient in the light of the variable commitment. Hiring arrangements are cancelled when reducing numbers become reasonably firm and long-term bus hire is no longer economical. {:#subdebate-73-18} #### Australian Dairy Industry Structures (Question No. 173) {: #subdebate-73-18-s0 .speaker-2E4} ##### Mr Lloyd: asked the Minister representing the Minister for Agriculture, upon notice: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. 1 ) Does the Government propose to restructure the Australian Dairy Produce Board and the Australian Dairy Industry Council. 1. Does the Government agree that, as Victoria produces over half of Australia's dairy output, its membership on the Commonwealth Equalisation Committee, Australian Dairy Industry Council and Australian Dairy Produce Board should reflect this dominant position. {: #subdebate-73-18-s1 .speaker-KXV} ##### Dr Patterson:
ALP -- The Minister for Agriculture has provided the following answers to the honourable member's questions: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. 1 ) At my direction there is to be a review of the powers, functions, and composition of the Australian Dairy Produce Board. I shall shortly be inviting interested Federal bodies within the dairy industry to contribute to the review by submitting proposals for consideration. As the Australian Dairy Industry Council is not a statutory body, I am not able- and indeed I would not wish- to intervene in the internal arrangements of any organisation set up by the industry itself. 1. Government policy provides, in relation to statutory marketing boards, for adequate representation of primary producers and for professional experts, where appointed, to be independent of vested and/or conflicting interests. Within that general policy I believe that membership of statutory boards should comprise those most competent to assist the particular industry. This applies to the Australian Dairy Produce Board. The other two organisations referred to are not statutory bodies, but are set up by the dairy industry itself. In the circumstances I believe it a reasonable expectation that the industry should be capable of determining, without Government intervention, what is satisfactory representative membership. {:#subdebate-73-19} #### Water Conservation and Drainage (Question No. 190) {: #subdebate-73-19-s0 .speaker-2E4} ##### Mr Lloyd: asked the Minister for the Environment and Conservation, upon notice: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. 1 ) What water conservation and drainage projects have received financial assistance from the present Government. 1. Which of these projects received approval from the previous Government. 2. ) What projects are being considered at the moment. **Dr Cass** The answer to the honourable member's question is as follows: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. 1 ) The following water conservation and drainage projects have received financial assistance from the present Government. Queensland Baralaba Weirs (Lower Dawson River) Bundaberg Irrigation Project Fairbairn Dam (Nogoa River) Kinchant Dam (North Eton Project) Ross River Dam (Stage 1 ) New South Wales Copeton Dam (Gwydir River) Flood Mitigation- New South Wales Coastal Rivers Victoria Dartmouth Dam King River Dam Millewa Pipeline Project Salinity Reduction Program (River Murray) South Australia Lock to Kimba Pipeline Tailem Bend to Keith Pipeline Western Australia Ord River Irrigation Project {: type="1" start="2"} 0. The previous Government approved all the above projects, with the exception of Baralaba Weirs, Kinchant Dam and Ross River Dam (Stage 1 ). 1. The following projects are being considered at present: New South Wales Namoi River Weirs Queensland Advancetown Dam and Gold Coast flood mitigation Boyne River Dam (Gladstone Area) Brisbane Creeks flood mitigation Bundaberg Irrigation Project Burdekin Extension Project (Clare Weir/Urannah Dam) Julius Dam Karumba WaterSupply Leslie Dam (Stage 2) Mount Isa Water Board Queensland flood mitigation projects (Pioneer River, Proserpine River) Ross River Dam Stage 2 Wivenhoe Dam on Brisbane River South Australia Water Treatment *for* Metropolitan Adelaide Tasmania North West (Tasmania) Water Supply Scheme Victoria Mitchell River Dam Western Australia Carnarvon and Gascoyne Groundwater Supply Scheme Employment Opportunities for Officers from Papua New Guinea (Question No. 205) {: #subdebate-73-19-s1 .speaker-DQF} ##### Mr Snedden: asked the Prime Minister, upon notice: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. 1 ) What employment has been provided or what transfers have been arranged for those people remaining in the Department of External Territories after Papua New Guinea attained self-government on 1 December 1973. 1. To what other departments did people transfer after that date and how many were involved in respect of each department. 2. Have any arrangements been made in the Department of Foreign Affairs to utilise the services of people remaining in the Department of External Territories on 1 December 1973. 3. If so, (a) what are these arrangements, and (b) how many people are involved. 4. How many of these people will be involved in the proposed Aid Agency and when will the Aid Agency be formally established. {: #subdebate-73-19-s2 .speaker-6U4} ##### Mr Whitlam:
ALP -- The answer to the right honourable member's question is as follows: >The Public Service Board has provided the following information in respect to Questions ( 1 ) to ( 5 ): > >1 ) All of the staff remaining in the Department of External Territories on 30 November 1973 were transferred from 1 December 1973 to other departments of the Australian Public Service. Most of the staff were involved in that Department's ongoing functions, which were taken over by other departments. > >The departments to which the staff were transferred from 1 December 1973 and the numbers of staff involved in respect of each department are as follows: Department of Foreign Affairs, 410; Department of the Special Minister of State, 15; Department of the Treasury, 12; Department of the Media, 2; Department of Social Security, 1; Department of Tourism and Recreation, 1. > >and (4) Most of the 410 staff transferred to the Department of Foreign Affairs have been employed since 1 December 1 973 on the following: > >the ongoing function of dealing with constitutional and related aspects of the advancement of Papua New Guinea to independence for which the Papua New Guinea Office was set up from 1 December 1973; > >the provision of administrative services for the Office of the Australian Development Assistance Agency, which was set up from 1 December 1973 as an interim arrangement pending the passage of legislation; and > >the ongoing function of staffing and other aid to Papua New Guinea, through the Office of the Australian Development Assistance Agency. > >The Agency Bill was introduced in the autumn sittings of the Parliament and passed the House of Representatives without opposition. The Bill had reached the second reading stage in the Senate when Parliament was dissolved. It is intended to re-introduce the legislation at an early date. Detailed staffing arrangements have yet to be finalised. {:#subdebate-73-20} #### Prices Justification Tribunal: Staff (Question No. 206) {: #subdebate-73-20-s0 .speaker-DQF} ##### Mr Snedden: asked the Prime Minister, upon notice: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. What is the current staff level of the Prices Justification Tribunal. 1. 2 ) What is the annual wage and salary bill. 2. What is the weekly number of applications and notifications made to the Tribunal. 3. Does the Tribunal have a target staff level; if so, what is that level, and what will be the annual wage and salary bill when the Tribunal reaches that target. 4. How short of the target staff level is the Tribunal at present. 5. What are the positions which are at present vacant in the Tribunal. {: #subdebate-73-20-s1 .speaker-6U4} ##### Mr Whitlam:
ALP -- The answer to the right honourable member's question is as follows: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. 88. 1. $520,000 in 1973-74. 2. The average weekly number in recent months has been about 200. 3. and (5) The Tribunal is four officers short of establishment. Staff requirements to meet additional needs, including those arising from the Prices Justification Act 1974, are at present under discussion with the Public Service Board. 4. Vacant positions are : one of Clerk Class 6, one of Clerk Class 1 and two of Clerical Assistant Grade 4. Department of Health: Fees (Question Now 257) {: #subdebate-73-20-s2 .speaker-DQF} ##### Mr Snedden: asked the Minister for Health, upon notice: >Will he provide a list indicating all fees that are charged by his Department for services rendered to the public whether to individuals or organisations. Br Everingham- The answer to the right honourable member's question is as follows: >The information which has been collated for the right honourable member is too lengthy and complex to be published in Hansard. Copies are available at the Table Office of the House of Representatives. Public Service: Transfer of Officers to Albury/Wodonga (Question No. 328) {: #subdebate-73-20-s3 .speaker-DQF} ##### Mr Snedden: asked the Prime Minister, upon notice: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. 1 ) Has the Government received recommendations from the Public Service Board relating to the transfer of public servants and departments to Albury/Wodonga. 1. If so, when was the report received, and what action has been taken by the Government on the recommendations in it. 2. If not, when is it expected that the report will be received by the Government {: #subdebate-73-20-s4 .speaker-6U4} ##### Mr Whitlam:
ALP -- The answer to the right honourable member's question is as follows: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. No. 1. See(l). 2. On 19 December last I approved the establishment of a Committee on Location of Australian Government Employment to deal with all aspects of the location or relocation of Australian Government staff in the light of the Government's urban and regional development program. This committee, with its associated study groups, has taken over the functions of a number of pre-existing committees, including the Interdepartmental Committee on transfer to Albury/Wodonga which was established in December 1972. I am informed that discussions are proceeding, at the study group level, with the Albury/Wodonga Development Corporation, and that the Committee will submit a report to Cabinet as soon as practicable on the question of which Australian Government departments or parts of departments might be transferred to Albury/Wodonga. {:#subdebate-73-21} #### Limestone Mining (Question No. 331) {: #subdebate-73-21-s0 .speaker-DQF} ##### Mr Snedden: asked the Minister for Minerals and Energy, upon notice: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. 1 ) What are the present restrictions on limestone mining. 1. What is the commercial demand at this time for limestone. {: #subdebate-73-21-s1 .speaker-K0O} ##### Mr Connor:
ALP -- The answer to the honourable member's question is as follows: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. Restrictions may be applied under the Mining Acts of the States. Specific restrictions may apply in relation to mining in particular areas or circumstances such as mining in national parks. When a lease or permit to mine is granted covenants peculiar to that franchise may be inserted by the issuing authority. 1. Approximately 10m tonnes per year. Re-afforestation Projects (Question No. 351) {: #subdebate-73-21-s2 .speaker-DQF} ##### Mr Snedden: asked the Minster representing the Minister for Agriculture, upon notice: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. In what ways has re-afforestation been accelerated since 2 December 1972. 1. What projects have been undertaken, where, by whom, and what was the cost. {: #subdebate-73-21-s3 .speaker-KXV} ##### Dr Patterson:
ALP -- The Minister for Agriculture has provided the following answer to the honourable member's question: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. 1 ) There has been no acceleration in reafforestation since 2 December 1972. It was agreed that decisions on future rates of reafforestation and ways of carrying it out would be more soundly based after the working party reports and recommendations of the Forestry and Wood-based Industries Development Conference became available. This Conference was held from 1-5 April 1974 but its final recommendations will not be made until after July 1974. 1. See answer 1. {:#subdebate-73-22} #### Department of Agriculture: Financial Training of Officers (Question No. 354) {: #subdebate-73-22-s0 .speaker-DQF} ##### Mr Snedden: asked the Minister representing the Minister for Agriculture, upon notice: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. How many officers in the Department of Agriculture have been given some form of formal training in financial or auditing procedures used in Commonwealth departments in the last 12 months. 1. What is the division and classification of these officers. 2. How many of these officers were in operational, as distinct from financial or accounting, positions m the Service. {: #subdebate-73-22-s1 .speaker-KXV} ##### Dr Patterson:
ALP -- The Minister for Agriculture has provided the following answer to the honourable member's question: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. One. 1. Third Division, Clerk Class 9. 2. Nil. {:#subdebate-73-23} #### Australian Fishing Industry (Question No. 356) {: #subdebate-73-23-s0 .speaker-DQF} ##### Mr Snedden: asked the Minister representing the Minister for Agriculture, upon notice: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. Does the Government intend to provide long-term loans to Australian fishermen for boats, equipment and gear; if so, when. {: #subdebate-73-23-s1 .speaker-KXV} ##### Dr Patterson:
ALP -- The Minister for Agriculture has provided the following answer to the honourable member's question: >On 22 March 1974 the Treasurer and the Minister for Agriculture jointly announced that for some time it had been recognised that the fishing industry, and in particular the smaller owner/skipper operation had experienced difficulty in obtaining credit on suitable terms. Consequently, the Commonwealth Development Bank's lending activities were extended to cover a wider range of purposes including: > >financing or changes of ownership of fishing vessels in appropriate circumstances, including circumstances where developmental aspects were not predominant; and > >financing the repayment of existing debt that had been arranged on unsuitable terms and conditions. > >The interest rates charged would be in the range applicable to similar loans to farmers. Immigration: Applications from Pacific Islanders (Question No. 369) {: #subdebate-73-23-s2 .speaker-DQF} ##### Mr Snedden: asked the Minister for Labor and Immigration upon notice: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. 1 ) How many applications for permanent residence in Australia were received from (a) Fiji, (b) Tonga, (c) Western Samoa and (d) Nauru during 1973. 1. How many of these applications were approved in each case. {: #subdebate-73-23-s3 .speaker-2V4} ##### Mr Clyde Cameron:
HINDMARSH, SOUTH AUSTRALIA · ALP -- I am informed that the answer to the right honourable member's question is as follows: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. (a) 591 {: type="a" start="b"} 0. 11 1. 3 2. Not available for 1973. 1. (a) 120 {: type="a" start="b"} 0. 6 1. 1 2. See answer to 1 (d). However, during 1973, 13 persons from Nauru entered Australia as settlers. {:#subdebate-73-24} #### Accommodation for Mental Patients (Question No. 417) {: #subdebate-73-24-s0 .speaker-DQF} ##### Mr Snedden: asked the Minister for Health, upon notice: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. Has he received representations from the Victorian Minister for Health seeking additional Federal funds to build more accommodation for mental patients and, in particular, asking the Government to reconsider its policy of not providing in-patient accommodation for mental patients. 1. If so, has he considered these representations, and what was the outcome. {: #subdebate-73-24-s1 .speaker-KDP} ##### Dr Everingham:
ALP -- The answer to the right honourable member's question is as follows: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. Yes. 1. The Australian Government has not adopted a policy of 'not providing in-patient accommodation for mental patients'. Prior to its expiration on 30 June 1973, the States Grants (Mental Health Institutions) Act 1964-1970 provided Australian Government assistance on a $1 for $2 basis towards the capital costs of State mental health institutions. The present Government's concern for the provision of residential facilities for the mentally ill and intellectually handicapped is reflected in the more flexible and more generous levels of assistance available under its Community Mental Health, Alcoholism and Drug Dependency Program and its Community Health Program. The Community Mental Health, Alcoholism and Drug Dependency Program is based on the Mental Health and Related Services Assistance Act 1973. It provides for 100 per cent Australian Government funding of community based mental health, alcoholism and drug dependency projects in 1973-74 and 1974-75, and allocates $7.5m for that purpose in each of those two years. After 1974-75, the Community Mental Health Program will be encompassed by the more broadly based Community Health Program. The latter Program provided $10m on a 100 per cent Australian Government funding basis in 1973-74. Australian Government funding of capital costs under the Community Health Program in 1974-75 and 1 975-76 will be on a 75 per cent basis. Both Programs enable Australian Government financial assistance to be provided for the capital costs of community (rather than institutionally) oriented residential facilities for the mentally ill and intellectually handicapped, and for alcoholics and drug dependent persons. Indeed, substantial Australian Government capital assistance was provided under those Programs in 1 973-74, for such facilities. Twenty-seven projects including or involving the provision of land or buildings for hostel accommodation for mentally ill or intellectually handicapped persons were approved for Australian Government funding. These projects attracted a total allocation of over $3.7m. An additional $154,000 was allocated to another nine projects involving the furnishing and equipping of existing premises for use as hostels for the mentally til and intellectually handicapped. Over $lm was allocated to another eleven projects that included the provision of hostel accommodation for alcoholics or drug dependent persons. With regard to the Victorian situation, it is relevant that, because of the Australian Government's desire to have the States' co-operation in these Programs, projects are not generally funded unless they are sponsored by the State authorities. The Victorian proposals originally submitted for 1973-74 contained only one project involving residential accommodation. As announced in my press statement of 9 May 1974, $964,000 of the original 1973-74 allocation of $2m to Victoria under the Community Mental Program was not utilised by that State and was re-allocated to other States. Shortly after that statement, the Victorian Minister of Health requested Australian Government funds for the purchase of two properties- one at Balwyn and the other at Middle Park- for use as mental health hostels. On 1 1 June 1974, 1 approved the allocation of $1,270,000 for that purpose, under the Community Health Program. The question of future support for residential accommodation of the mentally ill and intellectually handicapped has been considered by the Hospitals and Health Services Commission and is dealt with in its 'Report on Hospitals in Australia', which was tabled in Parliament on 10 April 1974. It is a matter of some interest that Victoria refused to participate in the hospital statistical study carried out throughout Australia as background to that Report. The Government is giving detailed consideration to the recommendations in that Report. {:#subdebate-73-25} #### Registration of Drug Addicts (Question No. 420) {: #subdebate-73-25-s0 .speaker-DQF} ##### Mr Snedden: asked the Minister for Health, upon notice: >Does he support the view that there should be a national register of drug addicts. {: #subdebate-73-25-s1 .speaker-KDP} ##### Dr Everingham:
ALP -- The answer to the right honourable member's question is as follows: >The matter is currently under consideration by my Department and much will depend on investigations being carried out on the feasibility of collecting uniform national statistics on drug dependents. A pilot study has recently been commenced in Victoria, in which statistics on drug dependents are being collected from appropriate sources throughout the State for collation in a central recording system. Food Standards Committee of the National Health and Medical Research Council (Question No. 462) {: #subdebate-73-25-s2 .speaker-2E4} ##### Mr Lloyd: asked the Minister for Health, upon notice: >Who are the members of the Food Standards Committee of the National Health and Medical Research Council, and what is the basis of their membership. {: #subdebate-73-25-s3 .speaker-KDP} ##### Dr Everingham:
ALP -- The answer to the honourable member's question is as follows: >Members of the Food Standards Committee are appointed (or re-appointed), usually for three years, by the Minister for Health and are selected for the expertise and experience they possess in fields that have relevance to the work of the Committee. The current membership is: > > **Dr F.** H. Reuter (Chairman): Former Associate Professor of Food Technology, University of New South Wales and currently Editor 'Food Technology', official organ of the Council of Australian Food Technology Associations Inc. **Dr R.** H. O. Fleming (Deputy Chairman and Convener): Director, Food and Nutrition Section, Australian Department of Health. **Mrs J.** F. Coy: Nutritionist, Department of Health Services, Tasmania. **Mr J.** R. Edinger Secretary, Food Standards Committee, Department of Public Health, Western Australia. Professor R. A. Edwards: Associate Professor, Department of Food Technology, University of New South Wales, and Representative of the Interim Commission on Consumer Standards. **Mr W.** C. K.. Hammer, Assistant Secretary, Food Services Branch, Australian Department of Agriculture. **Mr J.** M. Kinsey: General Marketing Manager, Bush Boake Allen Australia Ltd, Member and Past President of the Council of Australian Food Technology Associations Inc. (representing the views of Industry through the Council of Australian Food Technology Associations Inc. ). **Mr H.** D. Kruger: Chief Health Inspector, A.C.T. Health Services Division, Department of Health. **Mr C.** Murray: Chief Food Inspector, Department of Health Queensland. **Mr I.** S. Ogle: Food Technologist, Colonial Sugar Refinery Co. Ltd, New South Wales (representing the views of Industry through the Council of Australian Food Technology Associations Inc. ). **Mr G.** L. Robinson: Assistant Chief Inspector, Department of Public Health, South Australia. **Dr B.** K.. Selinger: Senior Lecturer, Physical Chemistry, Australian N National University (Consumer Representative ). **Mr R.** C. Stanhope: Food Technologist and Senior Chemist, Health Laboratories, Victoria. **Mr S.** W. C. Smith (Secretary): Principal Chemist, Australian Department of Health. {:#subdebate-73-26} #### Pollution (Question No. 472) {: #subdebate-73-26-s0 .speaker-QH4} ##### Mr Kerin: asked the Minister for the Environment and Conservation, upon notice: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. Can he say whether the Reserve Mining Company's plant at Silver Bay, Minnesota, U.S.A., is one of the main sources of pollution of Lake Superior. 1. Can he also say whether this Company is jointly owned by the Republic Steel Company and the Armco Company. 2. Is the Armco company the same Company as that which has announced plans at various times to establish a steelworks at Jervis Bay. 3. Is the form of solid waste pollution mainly rock, refuse and tailings containing asbestos-like material which may cause cancer. 4. Are there any other examples of the Armco Company acting in contravention of desirable environmental practice. 5. Have any investigations been carried out into the possible harmful effects to employees working in Australian asbestos industries. {: #subdebate-73-26-s1 .speaker-JNG} ##### Dr Cass:
ALP -- The answer to the honourable member's question is as follows: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. 1 ) Yes, according to press releases. This pollution was the subject of litigation between the U.S. Justice Department and the Reserve Mining Company. 1. Yes. 2. Yes. 3. Official U.S. sources are reported as indicating that tailings from the Silver Bay plant contain 'iron, manganese, phosphorous, chlorides and other substances'. An article by Louis Goth in the New York Times of 9 June 1 974 refers to 'asbestos-like substances which may cause cancer' but these are not mentioned by the official sources nor in geological references of the area. 4. No other information is available to my Department on the overseas activities of Armco to indicate whether the company has followed desirable or undesirable environmental practices. 5. Yes. The Department of Health has advised thatState Mines Departments and Divisions of Occupational Health undertake occupational hygiene surveys in plants where asbestos is an atmosphere contaminant. Large industrial organisations which process and fabricate asbestos normally provide biological and environmental monitoring programs. The West Australian Department of Public Health has investigated the health status up to the present time of workers at Wittenoom Gorge Mine which closed in 1 966. Until the present time 137 cases of asbestosis have been recognised in Wittenoom miners. Of those surveyed 23 are known to have died, including S from pleural mesothelioma and 4 from carcinoma of lung. Further cases of both morbidity and mortality can be expected. The National Health and Medical Research Council in November 1973 endorsed its Draft Model Asbestos Regulations. The States are still considering adoption of these Regulations. Establishment of a Bureau of Animal Health (Question No. 504) {: #subdebate-73-26-s2 .speaker-2E4} ##### Mr Lloyd: asked the Minister for Health, upon notice: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. 1 ) Does the Government intend to establish a Bureau of Animal Health; if so, when. 1. Will the Bureau be administered by his Department or transferred to the Department of Agriculture. 2. Is it his wish that it be transferred to the Department of Agriculture. {: #subdebate-73-26-s3 .speaker-KDP} ##### Dr Everingham:
ALP -- The answer to the honourable member's question is as follows: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. The matter is primarily one for the Minister for Agriculture. However, the honourable member will be aware that, as foreshadowed in its Rural Policy Speech, the Government has recently announced that it will establish a Bureau of Animal Health. 1. & (3) The Government's announcement indicated that the Bureau will be established within the Department of Agriculture. {:#subdebate-73-27} #### Australian Film and Television Board (Question No. 514) {: #subdebate-73-27-s0 .speaker-KB8} ##### Mr Giles: asked the Prime Minister, upon notice: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. Has the Government announced its intention to replace the Film and Television Board with an Australian film authority. 1. Does the Government see the danger of appointing people who may have a vested interest on to such an authority. 2. What protection can smaller firms in the smaller States expect from such an authority. 3. Has an audit been made of the expenditure of the Film and Television Board; if so, has it been made public ; if not, why not. {: #subdebate-73-27-s1 .speaker-6U4} ##### Mr Whitlam:
ALP -- The answer to the honourable member's question is as follows: (1), (2) and (3) It is not the Government's intention to replace the Film and Television Board with an Australian film authority. {: type="1" start="4"} 0. The Australian Council for the Arts and its seven constituent Boards are presently pan of the Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet and details of their expenditure are subject to audit and report to the Parliament by the Auditor-General. The reports made to the Parliament are in turn subject to examination by the Public Accounts Committee. Similar conditions will apply to the Australian Council when it becomes a statutory authority. {:#subdebate-73-28} #### Burdekin Dam Project: Feasibility Study (Question No. 531) {: #subdebate-73-28-s0 .speaker-JQB} ##### Mr Bonnett:
HERBERT, QUEENSLAND asked the Minister for Northern Development, upon notice: >What is the current state of progress of the feasibility study being undertaken by the Government on the Burdekin Dam Project. {: #subdebate-73-28-s1 .speaker-KXV} ##### Dr Patterson:
ALP -- The answer to the honourable member's question is as follows: >The Australian Government together with the Queensland Government established a Burdekin Project Committee in September 1973 to set in train and supervise a comprehensive program of investigations into the potential for development of the resources of the basin on the Burdekin River and its tributaries for industrial, mining, urban and agricultural uses, hydro-electricity generation and for flood mitigation. > >The investigations cover all feasible storage sites and water uses and, accordingly, should be distinguished from a feasibility study of the Burdekin Dam Project alone. > >As information becomes available the Committee will examine potential development options for various needs. > >During 1973-74, the Burdekin Project Committee initiated engineering studies at varying levels of detail on potential storage sites on the Burdekin River. Preliminary investigations were carried out on suitable storage sites on the Belyando, Suttor, Cape and Campaspe rivers, tributaries of the Burdekin River. > >Groundwater investigations in the basin during 1973-74 included test bore drilling and geological mapping. > >Commercial irrigation trials were carried out at Millaroo Research Station on a range of potential production possibilities. A new field research station was established on the right bank of the Lower Burdekin River to test the potential, under simulated commercial conditions, of soil groupings not present at the Millaroo Research Station. Soil surveys on the right bank of the Lower Burdekin River have been commenced as well as an assessment of the salinity and fertility status of these soils. > >Catchment erosion and land capability studies were also commenced and appropriate mapping studies are in progress. Representative erosion measurement stations have been installed. A start has also been made on possible environmental consequences of various development options and on the potential for industrial development in the Burdekin Basin. > >The 1974-75 program of investigations will entail a continuation of the broad spectrum of investigations commenced in 1973-74, with relatively more emphasis on investigations into the potential for industrial development in the basin and neighbouring areas of economic influence. It is also planned to commence investigations during the coming financial year into the potential for hydro and thermal power generation in the Burdekin Basin. > >The scope of the 1 974-75 program of investigations will depend on the extent of financial allocations by the Australian and State Governments. {:#subdebate-73-29} #### Public Service Act: Disciplinary Provisions (Question No. 545) {: #subdebate-73-29-s0 .speaker-DQF} ##### Mr Snedden: asked the Prime Minister, upon notice: >Does he support the recommendation by the Joint Council of the Australian Public Service for changes to the disciplinary provisions of the Public Service Act to prevent unnecessary restriction being placed *on* the private lives of public servants. {: #subdebate-73-29-s1 .speaker-6U4} ##### Mr Whitlam:
ALP -- The answer to the right honourable member's question is as follows: >The Public Service Board has not yet completed its examination of the recommendations by the Joint Council for changes to the disciplinary provisions of the Public Service Act and Regulations. > >The Royal Commission into the Australian Public Service will also be considering the subject of discipline. > >The Government will consider in the light of its policy any recommendations on the disciplinary provisions which the Board or the Royal Commission, or both, may make. > >The right honourable member will be aware that it is the policy of this Government that public servants should have the maximum possible freedom to exercise the social and political rights enjoyed by other citizens. > >Consistent with this approach, I announced on 2 June 1974 that the Governor-General had approved a regulation made by the Public Service Board to repeal Public Service Regulation 34(b) which prohibited public comment by public servants on administrative matters. {:#subdebate-73-30} #### Alcoholism (Question No. 555) {: #subdebate-73-30-s0 .speaker-DQF} ##### Mr Snedden: asked the Minister for Health, upon notice: >Does the Government accept the need for financial assistance for the establishment of intake centres for alcoholics or people affected by alcoholism; if so, when will it provide such assistance. {: #subdebate-73-30-s1 .speaker-KDP} ##### Dr Everingham:
ALP -- The answer to the right honourable member's question is as follows: >Yes. The Government's recognition of the urgent need to provide financial assistance for the treatment of alcoholics, as well as persons suffering from mental illness and drug abuse, is reflected in the provisions of the Mental Health and Related Services Assistance Act 1973. That Act authorises Federal grants of up to $7.5m each year in 1973-74 and 1 974-75 for approved projects under the Community Mental Health, Alcoholism and Drug Dependency Program. > >After June 1975, such assistance will continue to be provided, but under the more broadly based Community Health Program. > >Not only intake and assessment centres, but also community oriented facilities and services for the treatment and rehabilitation of alcoholics have been funded under the Community Mental Health, Alcoholism and Drug Dependency Program. In 1973-74, allocations were made for the following projects dealing wholly or partly with alcoholism: National Australian Foundation on Alcoholism and Drug Dependence New South Wales Blacktown Main Community Centre Parramatta Main Community Centre Sydney City Main Community Centre Bondi Beach Shop Front Centre Hillsdale Shop Front Centre Manly Main Community Centre Chatswood Main Community Centre Wollongong Main Community Centre Hurstville/Kogarah Main Community Centre Newcastle City Main Community Centre Sydney City Mission, Surry Hills Salvation Army, Sydney Way Back Committee- Western Metropolitan Region Salvation Army Women's Hostel Salvation Army Men's Hostel Victoria Preston Assessment Centre Moreland Hall Family Care Centre Fitzroy Detoxification Centre Victorian Foundation on Alcoholism and Drug Dependence Queensland Brisbane Supervised Hostel Brisbane Supervised Hostel Ipswich Supervised Hostel Townsville Supervised Hostel Toowoomba Supervised Hostel Brisbane City Outpatients Assessment and Treatment Clinic Rockhampton Supervised Hostel South Australia Adelaide Regional Referral Clinic Adelaide Rehabilitation Centre Adelaide ' Drop-In ' Centre Tasmania Community Services (Mental health, alcoholism and drug dependency), Hobart. {:#subdebate-73-31} #### Council of Nature Conservation Ministers (Question No. 583) {: #subdebate-73-31-s0 .speaker-DQF} ##### Mr Snedden: asked the Minister for the Environment and Conservation, upon notice: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. 1 ) When has the Council of Nature Conservation Ministers met. 1. Who has attended the meetings. 2. What matters have been discussed. 3. What resolutions have been made. {: #subdebate-73-31-s1 .speaker-JNG} ##### Dr Cass:
ALP -- The answer to the right honourable member's question is as follows: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. 1 ) The Council of Nature Conservation Ministers has met on two occasions: 21 January 1974 (Inaugural meeting); 12 July 1974. 1. The meetings are attended by: Australian and State Government Ministers responsible for national parks and wildlife conservation and the Australian Minister for Science. At the latter meeting the New Zealand Minister of Lands and of Maori Affairs attended as an observer. {: type="1" start="3"} 0. Matters discussed at the Inaugural meeting were: {: type="a" start="i"} 0. The formation, membership and functions of the Council of Nature Conservation Ministers. {: type="i" start="ii"} 0. The ban on the export of kangaroo products. Matters discussed at the second meeting were: {: type="i" start="i"} 0. Committees to service Council. 1. Kangaroo habitat 2. Uniform open season for duck shooting. 3. Adequacy of land for nature conservation. 4. The ban on the export of Kangaroo Products. 5. South Pacific conference on national parks- New Zealand 1975. {: type="1" start="4"} 0. Members of Council agreed at their last meeting that the summary record, which includes all resolutions made, could be recognised as a public document once it had been approved by all Ministers. I have presented for the information of the honourable members the summary record of the first meeting. Because of the limited number of copies available I have arranged for two of these to be placed in the library. 1 will present the summary record of the second meeting when it has been approved by the Council. Pollution Control (Question No. 584) {: #subdebate-73-31-s2 .speaker-DQF} ##### Mr Snedden: asked the Minister for the Environment and Conservation, upon notice: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. 1 ) What consideration has been given, as promised, to subsidising environmentally desirable processes and products. 1. ) What was the result of the consideration. {: #subdebate-73-31-s3 .speaker-JNG} ##### Dr Cass:
ALP -- The answer to the right honourable member's question is as follows: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. 1 ) and (2) Officers of the Treasury and my Department are examining means of implementing the polluter pays principle by Australian Government action. If the full costs of pollution control are charged to the polluter, environmentally desirable processes and products may well prove to have decided cost advantages over less environmentally desirable processes and products. {:#subdebate-73-32} #### Government Departments: Printed Forms (Question No. 648) {: #subdebate-73-32-s0 .speaker-K9L} ##### Mr Garland: asked the Prime Minister, upon notice: >Will he have undertaken an examination by a committee, or by each of his Ministers and himself, to see that all printed forms in use by Government Departments and instrumentalities, particularly those issued for the public to fill in, are as simple as possible and ask the minimum number of questions. {: #subdebate-73-32-s1 .speaker-6U4} ##### Mr Whitlam:
ALP -- The answer to the honourable member's question is as follows: >I have taken such action myself and I have commended it to my ministerial colleagues. Should there be any particular forms about which the honourable member is concerned I suggest that he bring them to the notice of the relevant Minister. {:#subdebate-73-33} #### Electoral: Employment of Candidates (Question No. 658) {: #subdebate-73-33-s0 .speaker-K9L} ##### Mr Garland: asked the Prime Minister, upon notice: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. What were the names and addresses of all the Australian Labor Party candidates for the 1972 and 1974 elections who have been provided in part or in full with employment by the Government. 1. What is the nature of their duties, and what salaries and allowances are being paid to each. {: #subdebate-73-33-s1 .speaker-6U4} ##### Mr Whitlam:
ALP -- The answer to the honourable member's question is as follows: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. 1 ) and (2) The Government does not know in each case what occupations were followed by candidates after the 1972 and 1974 elections. Public Service: Public Statements by Officers (Question No. 661) {: #subdebate-73-33-s2 .speaker-K9L} ##### Mr Garland: asked the Prime Minister, upon notice: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. 1 ) What is the text of the guidelines issued by the Public Service Board indicating the restraints on Public Service or Government employees when making public statements of their own views. 1. Did the Government participate in or influence the drafting of this document. 2. 3 ) Did **Mr Spigelman** advise on the matter. 3. In elaboration of the Government's policy frequently referred to as "open government", does he regard this document as compatible with that policy and his many public references to the subject. {: #subdebate-73-33-s3 .speaker-6U4} ##### Mr Whitlam:
ALP -- The answer to the honourable member's question is as follows: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. 1 ) (2) (3) and (4) The guidelines were prepared by the Public Service Board in the course of its review of Public Service Regulation 34(b) and on this I refer the honourable member to my press statement on 2 June 1974. Copies of the guidelines have been lodged with the Parliamentary Library for reference by honourable members. {:#subdebate-73-34} #### National Health: Chemists Claims (Question No. 690) {: #subdebate-73-34-s0 .speaker-00ATA} ##### Mr Hodges:
PETRIE, QUEENSLAND asked the Minister for Health, upon notice: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. Is it a fact that some chemists' national health claims in Queensland were processed and ready for payment in the latter part of June 1974, but owing to no funds in the SubTreasury the claimants had to wait until early July to receive payments. 1. If so, will he take steps to ensure the situation does not arise again. 2. Has this happened in previous years at the end of a financial year. {: #subdebate-73-34-s1 .speaker-KDP} ##### Dr Everingham:
ALP -- The answer to the honourable member's question is as follows: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. 1 ) to ( 3 ) No. Steps taken each year ensure that sufficient funds are available to pay chemist's claims. However, processing of some claims was delayed in my Department's Brisbane Office towards the close of the 1973-74 financial year because of the absence of staff who were ill. M.V. 'Lorana' (Question No. 727) {: #subdebate-73-34-s2 .speaker-JT9} ##### Mr Bungey:
CANNING, WESTERN AUSTRALIA asked the Minister for Health, upon notice: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. Did the Senior Quarantine Officer, Fremantle, report marked rat infestation on M.V. 'Lorana' on or about 1 7 June 1974. 1. If so, did the Senior Quarantine Officer recommend a full cyanide fumigation. 2. What was the date of the inspection by the quarantine medical officer and a quarantine inspector, referred to by him on 10 July 1974(Hansard,page36). 3. What evidence of rat infestation was noted on the inspection referred to in part (3). 4. Why, and on what date, did the Director of Health order that cyanide fumigation should not be undertaken. 5. What is the criterion forjudging that the baiting was successful. 6. Who ordered the fumigation with methyl bromide. 7. Were rat guards, or alternatives, on the mooring lines of the M.V. 'Lorana' acceptable under the Quarantine Regulations; if so, for what periods; if not, why not. 8. Were any reports received of galley waste from the M.V. 'Lorana' being (a) eaten by seagulls or (b) dropped on wharves by seagulls; if so, what action was taken. 9. What were the previous 3 ports of call of M.V. 'Lorana'. 10. 1 1 ) Is the M.V. 'Lorana' a converted tanker built about 1945. 11. Is trapping recommended by the World Health Organisation on older vessels of this type. {: #subdebate-73-34-s3 .speaker-KDP} ##### Dr Everingham:
ALP -The answer to the honourable member's question is as follows: {: type="A" start="I"} 0. and (2) Yes {: type="1" start="3"} 0. 18 and 26 June 1974. 1. Rat droppings and gnaw marks of rats were found in the mid section and forepeak, but none in the holds. It was estimated that the rat population was about ten. 2. On 19 June 1974 it was decided not to fumigate the ship with hydrocyanic acid gas because- {: type="a" start="a"} 0. 1080 poison baiting had resulted in the recovery of four carcases and seven baits had been partially eaten. Another carcase was recovered several days later. 1. Infestation was limited to the mid section and forepeak of the vessel. 2. The vessel was due to be fumigated with methyl bromide for grain pests under the Export (Grain) Regulations. This fumigation also kills rats. 3. Baiting is considered successful if a large proportion of bodies of dead rats is found after a certain number of baits has been eaten. 4. A Quarantine Assistant Grade 3 belonging to my Department inspected the holds under the Export (Grain) Regulations and issued a fumigation order on behalf of the Australian Department of Agriculture. 5. The standard rat guards used by this vessel were acceptable under Quarantine (General) Regulations. Guards, however, in high winds may become displaced. An officer of my Department ensures that when this occurs the guards are resecured 6. (a) and (b) No. It was reported on 26 June that lids on drums of refuse on the M.V. 'Lorana' were faulty, or not in position so that refuse had spilled over on to the deck attracting sea gulls. I understand that gulls were not seen to eat or take away food scraps. As this could occur in these circumstances, the Master of the vessel was ordered to take action to prevent spillage of refuse and the drums were emptied early on the following day by the Fremantle Port Authority. {: type="I" start="1"} 0. 10) Under the name of 'Pennleader', the vessel called at Gladstone (Queensland), Chittagong, and Singapore before sailing to Fremantle. The owners renamed the vessel 'Lorana' while at Singapore. 1. 1 understand the vessel is a converted tanker but am unaware of its age. 2. The World Health Organisation in its publication 'Vector Control in International Health' 1972, does not specifically mention methods of vector (includes rodents) control on older vessels. Ships are considered as warehouses or hotels, or as a combination of both, similar to those on land. Ships continually move from place to place and in so doing may transport insects, rodents and other pests to some other place where they may become established. The World Health Organisation considers that the presence of rodents on board a ship depends on the following factors- {: type="a" start="a"} 0. sanitary conditions in the ports entered, their degree of infestation and, in some cases, the geographical area in which the port is situated; 1. the nature of the cargo taken aboard; 2. the general state of cleanliness of the ship. In regard to trapping, WHO advocates this method of control for rodents taken aboard modern rat-proof ships with cargo. It is only successful in very limited infestations and if it is applied very soon after the infestation occurs. Massive infestations are best handled by sanitary measures and a program of poisoning using anticoagulants or acute poisons as dictated by conditions. On some occasions fumigation with toxic gases (hydrocyanic acid gas, for example) may be used but this is a dangerous and inconvenient technique that is best reserved for use when the whole ship can be subjected to fumigation. My Department accepts these guidelines. {:#subdebate-73-35} #### Perth Airport Incinerator (Question No. 729) {: #subdebate-73-35-s0 .speaker-JT9} ##### Mr Bungey: asked the Minister for Health, upon notice: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. 1 ) Is it a fact that the incinerator at Perth Airport has not been used for certain periods; if so, for what periods, and why. 1. How is international aircraft garbage disposed of in the event of incinerator failure. 2. Has the Department received complaints concerning dumping of international aircraft garbage on the Belmont rubbish tip, or any other tip, in the Perth area; if so, what action was taken. 3. Does the Department know of cases of the dumping of international aircraft garbage on rubbish tips in the Perth area; if so, what action has been taken. {: #subdebate-73-35-s1 .speaker-KDP} ##### Dr Everingham:
ALP -- The answer to the honourable member's question is as follows: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. 1 ) Four incinerators have been installed for use at Perth Airport consisting of one gas-fired and three wood-fired units. The Department of Transport is responsible for the operation of these incinerators and my Department does not keep a record of breakdowns. It has always been possible to dispose of galley waste by incineration at any time of day or night. 1. If one incinerator becomes unserviceable, international aircraft garbage is incinerated in one of the other units. 2. The Department has received no substantiated complaints and the Committee that enquired into quarantine at Fremantle and at Perth Airport in March 1 974 was unable to establish that international aircraft garbage had been dumped on the Belmont rubbish tip. Consequently no action has been taken in this regard. 3. The Department knows of no cases and the Committee was satisfied that there was no evidence of international aircraft garbage having been dumped on rubbish tips in the Penh area. No action, therefore, has been taken. {:#subdebate-73-36} #### Alleged Training of Indonesian Interrogators (Question No. 760) {: #subdebate-73-36-s0 .speaker-DQF} ##### Mr Snedden: asked the Minister for Defence, upon notice: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. Has he received a report into allegations that Indonesian interrogators are being trained at the Woodside Army Intelligence Centre in South Australia. 1. If so, will he table the report **Mr Barnard:** The answer to the right honourable member's question is as follows: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. and (2) Several reports on individual aspects of these allegations were submitted to me. In addition I made my own exhaustive oral enquiries. The result of my investigation was contained in my press statement of 24 June which made it clear that Indonesian personnel were not being trained as interrogators at Woodside. {:#subdebate-73-37} #### Priorities Review Staff (Question No. 766) {: #subdebate-73-37-s0 .speaker-DQF} ##### Mr Snedden: asked the Special Minister of State, upon notice: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. Has the Priorities Review Staff prepared a forward expenditure estimate of Government programs. 1. ) If so, what is the estimate. {: #subdebate-73-37-s1 .speaker-ZE4} ##### Mr Lionel Bowen:
Special Minister of State · KINGSFORD-SMITH, NEW SOUTH WALES · ALP -- The answer to the right honourable member's question is as follows: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. No. 1. See(l). {:#subdebate-73-38} #### Aboriginal Medical Services (Question No. 773) {: #subdebate-73-38-s0 .speaker-DQF} ##### Mr Snedden: asked the Minister for Health, upon notice: >Will he provide a list of the recommendations made to the Government as a result of the meetings held in Albury from 5 to 7 July 1 974 to discuss Aboriginal medical services. {: #subdebate-73-38-s1 .speaker-KDP} ##### Dr Everingham:
ALP -- The answer to the right honourable member's question is as follows: >The recommendations arising from the discussions among the representatives attending the Workshops on Aboriginal Medical Services which was held at Albury, New South Wales, 5-7 July 1974 number twenty-two. These include such things as a suggested administrative structure for Aboriginal and Islander health organisations, the provision of funds for the expansion and extension of existing health and dental services, the training of staff working in Aboriginal health fields. The recommendations are included in a report of the proceedings of the Workshop which is being prepared and should be made public in the near future. {:#subdebate-73-39} #### Grants to Local Government (Question No. 774) {: #subdebate-73-39-s0 .speaker-DQF} ##### Mr Snedden: asked the Minister for Health, upon notice: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. 1 ) Are grants made direct from the Government to local government under the Mental Health, Alcoholism and Drug Dependence Scheme. 1. If so, under what conditions are these direct grants made. {: #subdebate-73-39-s1 .speaker-KDP} ##### Dr Everingham:
ALP -- The answer to the right honourable member's question is as follows: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. 1 ) Although Federal grants may be made direct to local government authorities under the Community Mental Health, Alcoholism and Drug Dependency Program, no grants have yet been made to such authorities. With the objective of co-ordination of projects within each State, applications received by the Government for grants to bodies other than State authorities are considered only in the light of advice from the State authorities, and such grants are usually made through the State authorities. 1. Any conditions under which a grant might be made to a local government authority would be determined in the light of the particular circumstances. {:#subdebate-73-40} #### Cigarette Smoking (Question No. 775) {: #subdebate-73-40-s0 .speaker-DQF} ##### Mr Snedden: asked the Minister for Health, upon notice: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. 1 ) Has the survey undertaken by the National Health and Medical Research Council into the smoking habits of Australian school children been completed; if so, when. 1. When will the results of the survey be available. 2. Are there any preliminary findings from the survey. {: #subdebate-73-40-s1 .speaker-KDP} ##### Dr Everingham:
ALP -- The answer to the right honourable member's question is as follows: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. Yes. The survey undertaken by the National Health and Medical Research Council into the smoking habits of Australian school children, a comprehensive study involving over 26,000 children, has been completed. The first phase, consisting of a short re-run of the questions asked in the survey conducted in 1 969, was carried out in June 1 973 and the second, the main in-depth analysis, in September-October 1973. 1. Preliminary data from the first phase are currently being analysed and tables prepared. However, results of the second, in-depth, part of the survey will not be available for some time, due to allocation of data processing priorities in the Department to other areas. 2. Any significant findings will be made available to Parliament when these become known. {:#subdebate-73-41} #### Australian Environment Fund (Question No. 783) {: #subdebate-73-41-s0 .speaker-DQF} ##### Mr Snedden: asked the Minister for the Environment and Conservation, upon notice: >How is the $25,000 allocated from the Australian Environment Fund to raise public awareness, survey environmental attitudes and improve public awareness techniques, being spent. {: #subdebate-73-41-s1 .speaker-JNG} ##### Dr Cass:
ALP -- The answer to the right honourable member's question is as follows: >The Australian Environment Council approved in principle the allocation of $25,000 from the Australian Environment Fund for the following two purposes: > >to enable the Public Awareness Sub-committee to develop a project which will lead to a survey of environmental attitudes and the effectiveness of current public awareness techniques; and > >to enable the Public Awareness Sub-committee to expend some funds for national publicity in connection with World Environment Day, 5 June. > >With regard to (a) the Sub-committee has proposed a pilot environmental attitudes survey be funded. This will be examined by the Standing Committee of the Australian Environment Council at its meeting on 2/3 October, 1 974. > >With regard to (b) an amount of $13,347.77 was spent for World Environment Day on 5 June, 1974 for the design, preparation, printing and distribution of World Environment Day charts and posters. {:#subdebate-73-42} #### Indian-Pacific Railway (Question No. 786) {: #subdebate-73-42-s0 .speaker-DQF} ##### Mr Snedden: asked the Minister for Tourism and Recreation, upon notice: >Will provision be made available on the Indian-Pacific line Tor the carriage of vehicles; if so, when. {: #subdebate-73-42-s1 .speaker-KUX} ##### Mr Stewart:
Minister for Tourism and Recreation · LANG, NEW SOUTH WALES · ALP -- The answer to the right honourable member's question is as follows: >This suggestion was made at the 15th Annual Meeting of the Tourist Minister's Council last July. > >The Minister for Transport, with whom I raised the matter informed me that the Indian-Pacific train is already at maximum length and therefore it is not possible to add additional freight cars to provide a roll-on car service. Since the Indian Pacific service is fully booked well in advance it would not be practical to replace passenger cars with freight cars. > >Provision does, of course, exist to convey private cars from Sydney to Perth on the normal freight service. Management Consultant firms (Question No. 813) {: #subdebate-73-42-s2 .speaker-DQF} ##### Mr Snedden: asked the Minister for the Environment and Conservation, upon notice: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. 1 ) For what purpose has the Department used management consultant firms in the last 12 months. 1. ) Which firms have been used. 2. What was the total cost. {: #subdebate-73-42-s3 .speaker-JNG} ##### Dr Cass:
ALP -- The answer to the right honourable member's question is as follows: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. and (2) W. D. Scott and Co. Pty Ltd. to investigate sources of environmental information. {: type="A" start="P"} 0. A. Management Consultants Pty Ltd. to assist in the assessment of an environmental impact statement prepared by a uranium mining consortium. 1. The total cost of these studies was $ 1 5, 194.55. Wheat (Question No. 840) {: #subdebate-73-42-s4 .speaker-MI4} ##### Mr Peacock: asked the Minister representing the Minister for Foreign Affairs: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. 1 ) Does Australia intend to give 7,000 tonnes of wheat to drought-affected countries in Africa. 1. If so, how will the wheat be shipped. 2. When will the wheat arrive. 3. How will the wheat be distributed, and by whom. {: #subdebate-73-42-s5 .speaker-6U4} ##### Mr Whitlam:
ALP -- The Minister for Foreign Affairs has provided the following answer to the honourable member's question: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. Yes. 1. Shipping and distribution is being arranged in close consultation with the Food and Agriculture Organisation's Office for Sahelian Relief Operations (OSRO). The wheat will be shipped in bulk, together with bags, to Dakar. 2. In accordance with the recommendation of OSRO the wheat will be shipped to arrive between November 1974 and Feburary 1 975, to fit in with the receipt and clearance of grain supplies from other donors. 3. The wheat will be consigned to the United Nations Development Program (UNDP) representatives resident in the recipient countries, who will arrange the unloading, bagging, inland transportation and delivery to the recipient Governments. Final arrangements will be made following confirmation by OSRO of the countries to receive this wheat. {:#subdebate-73-43} #### Cocos (Keeling) Islands (Question No. 842) {: #subdebate-73-43-s0 .speaker-MI4} ##### Mr Peacock: asked the Special Minister of State, upon notice: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. 1 ) Is he responsible for the administration of the Cocos (Keeling) Islands. 1. If so, how will be explain to the United Nations Mission soon to visit the Cocos (Keeling) Islands the apparent inconsistencies revealed in question No. 836. {: #subdebate-73-43-s1 .speaker-ZE4} ##### Mr Lionel Bowen:
ALP -- The answer to the honourable member's question is as follows: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. Yes. 1. I refer the Honourable Member to the full text of the Prime Minister's answer to his question about the selfdetermination and independence of the Cocos (Keeling) Islands on 17 May 1973. The view of the Australian Government on the future political status of the Cocos (Keeling) Islands is that this should be determined with full regard to the freely expressed wishes of the inhabitants and in keeping with the principles of the United Nations resolutions. This view was put by the Australian Government in its discussions with members of the United Nations Visiting Mission to Cocos (Keeling) Islands during their discussions in Canberra recently. {:#subdebate-73-44} #### Cocos (Keeling) Islands (Question No. 843) {: #subdebate-73-44-s0 .speaker-MI4} ##### Mr Peacock: asked the Special Minister of State, upon notice: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. 1 ) Has a submission been prepared by his Department for the use of the forthcoming United Nations Visiting Mission to the Cocos (Keeling) Islands. 1. If so, what does the submission propose. 2. Will he table the submission in the Parliament. {: #subdebate-73-44-s1 .speaker-ZE4} ##### Mr Lionel Bowen:
ALP -- The answer to the honourable member's question is as follows: ( 1 ), (2) and (3) The purpose of the Visiting Mission is 'to enable the United Nations to obtain first hand information on the wishes of the people concerning their future status, the situation prevailing in and the problems being faced by the Territory'. The United Nations Visiting Mission has been given copies of the Cocos (Keeling) Islands Annual Report for 1972-73. This report was tabled in Parliament on 25 July 1 974. A statement incorporating background information on the Islands has also been supplied to the United Nations Visiting mission. The honourable member has been given a copy of this statement. {:#subdebate-73-45} #### Cocos (Keeling) Islands (Question No. 844) {: #subdebate-73-45-s0 .speaker-MI4} ##### Mr Peacock: asked the Special Minister of State, upon notice: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. 1 ) Were the press banned from travelling on the aircraft taking members of the United Nations Visiting Mission to the Cocos (Keeling) Islands; if so, why. 1. Has the ban been lifted; if so, why. {: #subdebate-73-45-s1 .speaker-ZE4} ##### Mr Lionel Bowen:
ALP -- The answer to the honourable member's question is as follows: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. 1 ) and (2) At no time were the press banned from travelling on the aircraft taking members of the United Nations Visiting Mission to the Cocos (Keeling) Islands. {:#subdebate-73-46} #### Cocos (Keeling) Islands (Question No. 845) {: #subdebate-73-46-s0 .speaker-MI4} ##### Mr Peacock: asked the Special Minister of State, upon notice: >What has been done by his Department to implement the 'Heads of Agreement' reached between the then Minister for External Territories and **Mr John** CIunies-Ross in September 1972. {: #subdebate-73-46-s1 .speaker-ZE4} ##### Mr Lionel Bowen:
ALP -- I assume the honourable member is referring to matters discussed between him and **Mr John** Clunies-Ross on 14 September 1972 when the Honourable Member was Minister for External Territories. I am informed that the outcome of those discussions is not correctly described as 'Heads of Agreement'. A Mission from the United Nations Committee on Decolonization has just completed a visit to Cocos Islands at the invitation of the Australian Government. The findings of the Visiting Mission will be taken into account by the Government in its plans for promoting the social, political and economic development of the Cocos Islands. Since responsibility for the Islands was transferred to my portfolio in December last, my Department has continued and initiated the development of plans dealing, amongst others, with matters to which the honourable member refers. {:#subdebate-73-47} #### Leafcutter Bees (Question No. 848) {: #subdebate-73-47-s0 .speaker-KIK} ##### Mr Lusher:
HUME, NEW SOUTH WALES asked the Minister for Health, upon notice: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. 1 ) Has the Minister's attention been drawn to the considerable concern among apiarists about the importation of leafcutter bees from the United States of America into Australia. 1. Is it a fact that the imported leafcutter bees, or some of them, were infected with the non-curable chalkbrood disease. 2. ) If so, were the infected bees destroyed. 3. Were all bees in quarantine destroyed. 4. Will the Government prohibit further introduction of these bees. 5. What is the Government's attitude regarding the future importation and release of these bees. {: #subdebate-73-47-s1 .speaker-KDP} ##### Dr Everingham:
ALP -- The answer to the honourable member's question is as follows: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. 1 ) My attention has been drawn to the concern expressed by apiarists about the importation of leafcutter bees from the United States of America into Australia. 1. It is correct that one consignment of imported leafcutter bees was infected with chalkbrood disease. 2. and (4) All bees in the consignment, including those which were not obviously infected, were destroyed. 3. It is not the intention of the Government to prohibit further introduction of these bees and approval has been granted by the Director of Quarantine for the importation of further consignments. 4. The attitude of the Government towards future importation is that, provided these bees are maintained under the strict conditions of quarantine which were imposed in the first instance, there will be no risk of introducing diseases of bees into Australia. The discovery of this disease is complete vindication of the precautions taken to ensure that no diseases of bees are brought in and this procedure will be maintained. {:#subdebate-73-48} #### Tuberculosis (Question No. 35) {: #subdebate-73-48-s0 .speaker-DQF} ##### Mr Snedden: asked the Minister for Health, upon notice: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. 1 ) How many people have tuberculosis in Australia at the present time. 1. How many people have died from tuberculosis in Australia in each of the last 10 years. 2. How many people have been found to have tuberculosis following screening conducted by the Government in each of the last 1 0 years. 3. How many of these were migrants. 4. How many of these people came from industrial areas. 5. How many people have been found to be suffering from lung diseases following screening by the Government in each of the last 10 years. 6. How many people have undergone tuberculosis screening in Australia in each of the last 1 0 years. {: #subdebate-73-48-s1 .speaker-KDP} ##### Dr Everingham:
ALP -- The answer to the right honourable member's question is as follows: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. 1 ) The number of people in Australia who have tuberculosis at the present time is not known. However, at 31 December 1973 4,442 people were receiving active treatment for tuberculosis and a further 169,299 were under regular surveillance against possible breakdown with tuberculosis. 1. and (3) The number of people who died from tuberculosis and those found to have tuberculosis in each of the last 10 years was: {: type="1" start="4"} 0. The number of migrants amongst those people found to have tuberculosis in each of the last 10 years was: {: type="1" start="5"} 0. The number of people amongst those notified with tuberculosis in each of the last 10 years who came from industrial areas is not known. 1. and (7) The number of people suspected or found to be suffering from lung diseases and those who had undergone tuberculosis screening in each of the last 1 0 years was: {: type="a" start="a"} 0. Does not include cases found by chest clinics, hospitals or case finding sources other than mass X-Ray surveys. 1. Information was not compiled in a form that allows statistics comparable with those given for later years to be easily or readily extracted. However, if the right honourable member particularly needs these statistics, I will endeavour to have the records in the States examined and provide him with the best information that can be obtained. {:#subdebate-73-49} #### Department of the Environment and Conservation: Grants to Research Bodies or Individuals (Question No. 93) {: #subdebate-73-49-s0 .speaker-DQF} ##### Mr Snedden: asked the Minister for the Environment and Conservation, upon notice: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. 1 ) Will he provide a list of all grants, to any organisation or individual, that are provided from moneys appropriated to his Department, or authorities under his control, to undertake research. 1. ) To what bodies have such moneys been advanced, and what was the nature of the research undertaken as a result of the grants in each of the last three years. {: #subdebate-73-49-s1 .speaker-JNG} ##### Dr Cass:
ALP -- The answer to the right honourable member's question is as follows: >If research is defined as a project designed to reveal new principles, techniques or methods, to make comparative studies or to determine applicability in new situations, grants have been made to the following: {:#subdebate-73-50} #### Vegetable Oil for Poly-unsaturated Margarine (Question No. 175) {: #subdebate-73-50-s0 .speaker-2E4} ##### Mr Lloyd: asked the Minister representing the Minister for Agriculture, upon notice: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. 1 ) What percentage of the vegetable oil necessary for the manufacture of poly-unsaturated margarine in Australia is imported. 1. Is Australia importing an increasing amount of these oils. 2. Is it a fact that approximately 80 per cent of the safflower oil necessary for the new margarine .ka-n, ' will have to be imported. {: #subdebate-73-50-s1 .speaker-KXV} ##### Dr Patterson:
ALP -- The Minister for Agriculture has provided the following answer to the honourable member's question. {: type="1" start="1"} 0. 1 ) The two major vegetable oils used in the manufacture of poly-unsaturated margarine are understood to be safflower and sunflower. The Australian production of safflower, because of agronomic problems, has progressively declined over recent years from 3,241 tonnes of oil in 1968-69 to an estimated 1,767 tonnes in 1973-74. Imports of safflower oil in the same period have decreased from 1,957 tonnes to 1,119 tonnes (II months only). Conversely, the production of sunflower oil has increased greatly from 2,370 tonnes in 1968-69 to an estimated 27,520 tonnes in 1973-74 while imports over this period have been negligible. However, details of each margarine manufacturer's formulations and the specific end uses of poly-unsaturated oils are not available. 1. Safflower is imported both in the form of seed and oil and while imports during recent years have fluctuated they remain fairly substantial reflecting the deficiency in Australian production. Imports over the past six years are set out below. On the other hand, imports of sunflower oil over the same period have declined as is illustrated below. {: type="1" start="3"} 0. If the formulation of the new poly-unsaturated margarine ' Becel ' is based predominantly on the use of safflower oil it is likely that a variable proportion of the total requirements would need to be imported; alternatively it may be technically possible to substitute locally produced sunflower oil for safflower oil. But as noted above, information as to the ingredients of particular margarine packs is not available. {:#subdebate-73-51} #### Fruit Growing Reconstruction Scheme (Question No. 177) {: #subdebate-73-51-s0 .speaker-2E4} ##### Mr Lloyd: asked the Minister representing the Minister for Agriculture upon notice: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. How many (a) successful and (b) unsuccessful applicants have there been in each State for the 2 categories of the Fruitgrowing Reconstruction Scheme up to 1 July 1 974. 1. How many acres of each variety of fruit have been cleared by the Scheme in each State, and what is the average price paid per acre for each variety in each State. {: #subdebate-73-51-s1 .speaker-KXV} ##### Dr Patterson:
ALP -- The Minister for Agriculture has provided the following answers to the honourable member's question: {:#subdebate-73-52} #### Forestry and Timber Industries (Question No. 355) {: #subdebate-73-52-s0 .speaker-DQF} ##### Mr Snedden: asked the Minister representing the Minister for Agriculture upon notice: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. 1 ) How many people are employed in forestry and timber industries in each State. 1. Where are they employed. 2. What was the total amount of timber, categorised by type, imported into Australia in each of the last 10 years. 3. What is the expected amount of timber, categorised by type, that will be imported into Australia in each of the next 5 years. {: #subdebate-73-52-s1 .speaker-KXV} ##### Dr Patterson:
ALP -- The Minister for Agriculture has provided the following answer to the honourable member's question: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. 1 ) Employment in forestry and umber industries in each State: {: type="1" start="2"} 0. My Department has no information as to where they are employed. 1. Imports of Timber 1963/64-1972/73. {: type="1" start="4"} 0. Estimates of the level of timber imports in each of the next five years are shown in the table below. They are based on figures for 1970 and 1980 published in the Report of Panel 6-Marketing for the FORWARD Conference. It is assumed that the trend in imports in each category of timber from 1970 to 1980 is linear. {: type="1" start="5"} 0. No direct estimates of future demand for timber on a State by State basis are available. However, future demands for timber in Australia as a whole were prepared for the FORWOOD Conference, and presented in the Report of Panel 6- Marketing. The estimates of demand on a State by State basis which follow have been derived by assuming that the demand for timber in each State will be proportional to the population. Estimates of population in 1975 and 1 980 on a State by State basis were obtained from the Commonwealth Year Book for 1972 and linear increases over this period were assumed. 1. In the next five years no significant change is likely to occur in the level of employment in the forestry and timber industries with the exception of logging. The output of the industries is generally expected to rise but so is the man-day productivity. In the case of logging, employment has already risen above 1971 levels due to the recent rapid growth of the woodchip export industry. However employment figures comparable to those given in answer to question I are not available. {:#subdebate-73-53} #### Radioisotopic Kits (Question No. 419) {: #subdebate-73-53-s0 .speaker-DQF} ##### Mr Snedden: asked the Minister for Health, upon notice: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. What radioisotope diagnostic kits are available in Australia. 1. What are their stated degree of accuracy and precision. 2. Which radioisotope kits have been tested and their accuracy and precision verified by the Australian Radiation Laboratory. 3. What are the (a) types, (b) numbers and (c) costs of radioisotopic kits reimbursed to the manufacturers during the years 1970-71, 1971-72 and 1972-73 by the Department of Health. 4. ) Are diagnostic kits for laboratory use to be considered as pharmaceutical items subject to Commonwealth reimbursement. {: #subdebate-73-53-s1 .speaker-KDP} ##### Dr Everingham:
ALP -- The answer to the right honourable member's question is as follows: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. 1 ) There are over 1 80 known different in vitro radioisotope diagnostic kits for the assay of 39 different biologicals which could be purchased from overseas sources of supply by medical laboratories in Australia which hold licences from State Authorities to use radioisotopes. Of these, the following kits were being provided in July 1 974 at no charge by the Australian Radiation Laboratory to approved medical users for routine diagnostic tests on patients: {: type="1" start="2"} 0. The accuracy, precision, sensitivity and specificity of in vitro diagnostic tests are investigaged by manufacturers during the development and production of kits. For the user of kits, the important thing is that the clinical accuracy and reproducibility of a particular test, both short term and long term, should be satisfactory. Before a radioisotope kit is made available at no charge by the Australian Radiation Laboratory for routine clinical purposes, it must be considered satisfactory for the intended diagnostic test by a number of competent medical laboratories in Australia to which the kits have been submitted for assessment. All of the diagnostic kits listed above have been checked for clinical accuracy and reproducibility through this procedure. By limiting the number of different types of kit made available for each particular diagnostic test, inter-laboratory comparison of results is simplified. The Australian Radiation Laboratory has recently commenced a Quality Assurance Program for in vitro thyroid tests in which samples of the same serum are submitted to participating laboratories for assay. Results are then tabulated and circulated so that the participating medical laboratories are able to compare results. It is proposed to extend the Quality Assurance Program to other in vitro diagnostic tests. 1. As indicated in the answer to question 2, all or the above listed in vitro radioisotope kits have been assessed for their clinical diagnostic accuracy and reproducibility and have been found to be satisfactory. Others have been rejected for various reasons including poorer reproducibility. (4) {: type="1" start="1"} 0. 5 ) No. Diagnostic kits for laboratory use are not considered to be items subject to reimbursement through the Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme. That Scheme relates essentially to prescribed drugs and medicinal preparations. {:#subdebate-73-54} #### Ship Rat Infestation (Question No. 728) {: #subdebate-73-54-s0 .speaker-JT9} ##### Mr Bungey: asked the Minister for Health, upon notice: >How many vessels at (a) Fremantle (b) Melbourne (c) Sydney (d) Albany (e) Bunbury (f) Broome (g) Geraldton and (h) Port Hedland (i) were inspected by quarantine staff; (ii) showed evidence of rat infestation (iii) were fumigated for rats (iv) were baited with 1080 for rats (v) were ordered to trap for rats and (vi) were treated by other means for rats, during the period I January 1973 to 30 June 1974. {: #subdebate-73-54-s1 .speaker-KDP} ##### Dr Everingham:
ALP -- The answer to the honourable member's question is as follows: >The following numbers of ships were inspected at the ports named from 1 January 1 973 to 30 June 1 974. {:#subdebate-73-55} #### Department of Overseas Trade: Research Grants (Question No. 70) {: #subdebate-73-55-s0 .speaker-DQF} ##### Mr Snedden: asked the Minister for Overseas Trade, upon notice: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. 1 ) Will he provide a list of all grants, to any organisation or individual, that are provided from moneys appropriated to his Department, or authorities under his control, to undertake research. 1. To what bodies have such moneys been advanced, and what was or is the nature of the research being undertaken as a result of the grants in each of the last 3 years. {: #subdebate-73-55-s1 .speaker-1V4} ##### Dr J F CAIRNS:
LALOR, VICTORIA · ALP -- The answer to the right honourable member's question is as follows: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. and (2) No grants have been made from appropriations which: {: type="i" start="i"} 0. remained the responsibility of the Minister for Trade and Industry and/or the Minister for Overseas Trade during 1971-72, 1972-73 and 1973-74; or 1. were under the control of the Minister for Trade and Industry and/or the Minister for Overseas Trade in 1971- 72 and/or 1972-73 and which did not recur in 1972- 73 and/or 1973-74. Information in respect of appropriations which were under the control of the Minister for Trade and Industry and/or the Minister for Overseas Trade in 1971-72 and/or 1972-73 but which have since passed to the control of another Minister during 1973-74, will be provided by that Minister. {:#subdebate-73-56} #### Employment of Overseas Citizens (Question No. 359) {: #subdebate-73-56-s0 .speaker-DQF} ##### Mr Snedden: asked the Minister for Labor and Immigration, upon notice: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. 1 ) What governments have made formal inquiries of the Government concerning special arrangements for their citizens (a) to work for periods of (i) 6 months or less and (ii) more than 6 months and (b) to migrate to Australia for specified employment since 2 December 1972. 1. What stage have consultations on these inquiries reached in each case. {: #subdebate-73-56-s1 .speaker-2V4} ##### Mr CLYDE CAMERON:
HINDMARSH, SOUTH AUSTRALIA · ALP -- The answer to the right honourable member's question is as follows: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. 1 ) and (2) I am informed that no formal inquiries have been received since 2 December 1972 from any overseas government seeking special arrangements for their citizens to (a) work temporarily in Australia for periods of up to or more than 6 months and (b) to migrate to Australia for specified employment. There was one informal sounding about short term seasonal employment but this was not followed up formally by the Government involved. Inter-Departmental Committee: Development of System of Social Indicators in Australia (Question No. 741) {: #subdebate-73-56-s2 .speaker-DQF} ##### Mr Snedden: asked the Minister for Labor and Immigration, upon notice: >What progress has been made in the development of a system of social indicators. {: #subdebate-73-56-s3 .speaker-2V4} ##### Mr CLYDE CAMERON:
HINDMARSH, SOUTH AUSTRALIA · ALP -- The answer to the right honourable member's question is as follows: >I refer the right honourable member to my answer to question 765 on 1 9 September 1 973. > >A meeting of the Working Group of the InterDepartmental Committee, referred to in that reply, was held late last year. It was agreed at that meeting that Departments should give detailed consideration to the conceptual framework for social indicator development, focussing on areas of particular concern to them. This process is now nearing completion and it is intended that the Working Group should meet again shortly. > >As the right honourable member is no doubt aware, the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) has been taking an active interest in this area, and a meeting of the OECD Working Party on Social Indicators is to be held in Paris on 8-1 1 November. We shall wish to take into account discussions at that meeting in the further developments of the Australian social indicators programme. > >As I said in my earlier reply, however, this is a most complex project, and I would not therefore expect significant results in the short term. National Advisory Council on the Needs of the Disabled (Question No. 747) {: #subdebate-73-56-s4 .speaker-DQF} ##### Mr Snedden: asked the Minister for Social Security, upon notice: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. When will the Government establish the promised National Advisory Council on the Needs of the Disabled. 1. ) Will he take action to avoid further delays in its establishment. {: #subdebate-73-56-s5 .speaker-RK4} ##### Mr Hayden:
ALP -- The answer to the right honourable member's question is as follows: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. The Government had indicated its intention to establish a National Advisory Council on the Handicapped. However, some months ago it was decided that the appointment of the Advisory Council on the Handicapped should be delayed until the Report of the National Rehabilitation and Compensation Inquiry was completed. 1. Volume 1 of the Woodhouse Report was tabled on 10 July 1974. It is expected that Volume 2 of the Report, which deals predominantly with Rehabilitation aspects, will be tabled during the Budget Session. The terms of reference and composition of the proposed National Advisory Council will be determined and announced after Volume 2 of the Woodhouse Report has been received. {:#subdebate-73-57} #### Social Welfare Commission (Question No. 749) {: #subdebate-73-57-s0 .speaker-DQF} ##### Mr Snedden: asked the Minister for Social Security, upon notice: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. What was the intended role of the Social Welfare Commission as at 2 December 1972. 1. What changes have subsequently been made to its intended role. 2. What is its present role. 3. What is to be its future role. {: #subdebate-73-57-s1 .speaker-RK4} ##### Mr Hayden:
ALP -- The answer to the right honourable member's question is as follows: (1), (2), (3) and (4) While no specific mention of the Social Welfare Committee was made in 1972, its principles are implicit in the Government's pre- 1972 election statements on the need for a total community approach to welfare. The creation of the Social Welfare Commission in 1 973 is one pan of the Government's program to achieve these aims. In answer to the hon. member's question about the role of the Social Welfare Commission and any changes planned for that role, I would refer him to Section 14 of the Social Welfare Commission Act, which states: {: type="1" start="14"} 0. The functions of the Commission are- {: type="a" start="a"} 0. to ascertain, and report to the Minister on, the social welfare needs of the community and to make recommendations to the Minister in respect of those needs; 1. to make recommendations to the Minister for furthering the achievement of a nationally integrated social welfare plan, including- {: type="i" start="i"} 0. recommendations of priorities in relation to social welfare programs; 1. recommendations for the development of social welfare programs on a regional basis with localised administration; 2. recommendations for participation in the implementation of social welfare programs by representatives of the persons or agencies to be assisted; 3. recommendations for the co-ordination of the social welfare activities of organisations, including State, local government and voluntary organisations, involved in the provision of social welfare; 4. recommendations for the adjustment, from time to time, of social welfare programs in the light of changing community circumstances and attitudes and the state of the economy; and 5. recommendations for avoiding the duplication of social welfare programs and for promoting the maximum efficiency and effectiveness of the community social welfare effort; 2. to estimate, and report to the Minister on, the likely cost of proposed social welfare programs and to advise the Minister on the relative priorities to be given to the implementation of those programs; 3. to keep social welfare programs under constant review and to re-assess and evaluate those programs in the light of experience; 4. to propose to the Minister measures to give all organisations, including State, local government and voluntary organisations, concerned with social welfare access to available information and technical assistance; 5. to consider, and report to the Minister on, measures designed to provide skilled staff for the successful implementation of social welfare programs; and 6. such other functions in connection with social welfare programs as the Minister approves. That role has not been changed and I do not foresee that it will be changed in the future. {:#subdebate-73-58} #### Management Consultant Firms (Question No. 791) {: #subdebate-73-58-s0 .speaker-DQF} ##### Mr Snedden: asked the Minister for Social Security, upon notice: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. 1 ) For what purpose has the Department used management consultant firms in the last 1 2 months. 1. Which firms have been used. 2. What was the total cost. {: #subdebate-73-58-s1 .speaker-RK4} ##### Mr Hayden:
ALP -- The answer to the right honourable member's question is as follows: (1), (2) and (3) The Department of Social Security has not used management consultant firms for any purpose in the last 12 months. However, the Department arranged, on behalf of the Social Welfare Commission, for **Mr R.** Myers of the University of New South Wales to plan and conduct a training course for Social Planners. **Mr Myers** was paid an amount of $1,200. {:#subdebate-73-59} #### Australian Assistance Plan: Administration (Question No. 847) {: #subdebate-73-59-s0 .speaker-3V4} ##### Mr Chipp:
HOTHAM, VICTORIA asked the Minister for Social Security, upon notice: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. Who is the officer responsible for administering the Australian Assistance Plan. 1. What is his age. 2. ) What are his formal qualifications. 3. What is his experience in community affairs. 4. What is his experience in Government financial methods. 5. What is his classification. {: #subdebate-73-59-s1 .speaker-RK4} ##### Mr Hayden:
ALP -- The answer to the honourable member's question is as follows: (1), (2), (3), (4), (5) and (6) Responsibility for administering the Australian Assistance Plan rests not with one officer but with the Director-General and officers from various divisions of the Department of Social Security. These officers include qualified and experienced social workers, accountants and clerical/administrative officers. Textiles: Restriction on Imports (Question No. 859) {: #subdebate-73-59-s2 .speaker-JRD} ##### Mr Bourchier: asked the Minister for Overseas Trade, upon notice: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. 1 ) With reference to his Press Release of 30 July 1 974 in which he referred to the prompt action taken in controlling the import licence on goods from Taiwan, does he propose to impose the same control on the other countries mentioned as promptly as the action was taken on Taiwan; if not, why not. 1. Will it be necessary to waste taxpayers moneys on a long trip to visit these countries, and thus to delay the action by months, when a simple restriction on imports would solve the immediate problem; if so, why. 2. Will he consider imposing immediate restrictions on imports, and then discussing the matter with the countries concerned. {: #subdebate-73-59-s3 .speaker-1V4} ##### Dr J F CAIRNS:
LALOR, VICTORIA · ALP -- The answer to the honourable member's question is as follows: ( 1 ), (2) and (3) The Textiles Authority's report of 5 July 1 974 on certain items of apparel (Industries Assistance Commission Report No. 20) recommended that the Australian Government take action to restrain the level of certain knitted and woven apparel items entering the Australian market from Taiwan, Hong Kong, the Republic of Korea, India and China. In accepting and acting upon the Textiles Authority's findings and recommendations, the Australian Government has had regard to its rights and obligations under the General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade (GATT), the Arrangement Regarding International Trade in Textiles (The Textiles Arrangement) and the Australia-China Trade Agreement. Taiwan is not a party to the GATT or to the Textiles Arrangement and the Australian Government has no bilateral trade commitments to Taiwan. The Government decided, therefore, to give effect to the Textiles Authority's findings and recommendations concerning Taiwan by means of import licensing controls. India, the Republic of Korea and Hong Kong, like Australia, are signatories to the Textiles Arrangement. The Arrangement provides for the application of restraints on trade in textiles products subject to certain provisions, including the need to consult with signatory member countries whose exports would be affected by proposed restraint action. In the case of China, the Textiles Authority recommended that restraint action be taken only in respect of imports into Australia of certain knitted products. Having regard, inter alia, to the reciprocal most-favoured-nation provisions of the Australia-China Trade Agreement, the Australian Government considered that the only responsible course of action was to consult with the Chinese authorities to seek to reach a mutually acceptable level of restraint on trade in the products concerned. {:#subdebate-73-60} #### Department of Minerals and Energy: Research Grants (Question No. 71) {: #subdebate-73-60-s0 .speaker-DQF} ##### Mr Snedden: asked the Minister for Minerals and Energy, upon notice: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. 1 ) Will he provide a list of all grants, to any organisation or individual, that are provided from moneys appropriated to his Department, or authorities under his control, to undertake research. 1. To what bodies have such -moneys been advanced, and what was or is the nature of the research being undertaken as a result of the grants in each of the last 3 years. {: #subdebate-73-60-s1 .speaker-K0O} ##### Mr Connor:
ALP -- The answer to the right honourable member's question is as follows: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. 1 ) Grants for coal research from appropriation Division 350/3/01: 1. Grants by the Australian Atomic Energy Commission to the Australian Institute of Nuclear Science and Engineering (AINSE) AINSE was established in 1958 by the Australian Atomic Energy Commission and the Australian universities to assist research and training in areas related to nuclear science and engineering. Through the Institute, academic organisations in Australia have access to the specialised facilities of the Commission's Research Establishment at Lucas Heights. The major fields are radiation chemistry, radiation biology, nuclear physics, plasma physics, engineering aspects of the nuclear field, nuclear materials and research employing techniques such as neutron diffraction. {:#subdebate-73-61} #### Inco: Nickel Projects (Question No. 214) {: #subdebate-73-61-s0 .speaker-DQF} ##### Mr Snedden: asked the Minister for Minerals and Energy, upon notice: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. 1 ) Has the world 's largest nickel producer, Inco, decided to curtail its exploration and development activities in any part of Australia. 1. What Australian nickel projects is Inco involved in. 2. If Inco has decided to curtail its activities, will any of these projects be terminated as a result of Inco's decision; if so, which projects, and where are they located. {: #subdebate-73-61-s1 .speaker-K0O} ##### Mr Connor:
ALP -- The answer to the right honourable member's question is as follows: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. 1 ) There has been no communication from the company to the Government on this matter. 'The Australian Miner' on 27 September 1973 reported the President of International Nickel Australia Limited (a subsidiary of Inco) as saying that press reports that the company was closing down its Australian exploration and development branches were distorted and that the company was not pulling out of Australia. 1. The company has been principally involved in investigation of a lateritic nickel deposit about 50 kilometres north of Rockhampton, Queensland, and of a sulphide nickel deposit at Widgiemooltha, Western Australia. 2. The 1973 Annual Report of B.H.P., which is associated with Inco in these projects, stated: 'An extensive programme of testing of the lateritic nickel deposits near Rockhampton in Queensland was completed during the year. Studies indicate that commercial development will not be possible at current price levels which were adversely affected by currency changes. At Widgiemooltha in Western Australia the exploration shaft in the sulphide deposit was placed on a care and maintenance basis. Again the currency realignments have affected the possibility of early development, but the situation is being kept under review and markets are being sought. International Nickel Company of Canada Ltd. is associated with the Company in both projects. ' {:#subdebate-73-62} #### Department of Minerals and Energy: Appointment of Women (Question No. 99) {: #subdebate-73-62-s0 .speaker-DQF} ##### Mr Snedden: asked the Minister for Minerals and Energy, upon notice: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. 1 ) How many women have been appointed to senior positions in his Department since 2 December 1972. 1. Who are they. 2. To what position has each been appointed, and what is the function of the position. {: #subdebate-73-62-s1 .speaker-K0O} ##### Mr Connor:
ALP -- The answer to the right honourable member's question is as follows: (1), (2) and (3) Please refer to the answer given by the Prime Minister to Question No. 97 on Page 625 of Hansard of 24 July 1974. {:#subdebate-73-63} #### Northern Australia: Zonal Boundaries (Question No. 238) {: #subdebate-73-63-s0 .speaker-DQF} ##### Mr Snedden: asked the Minister for Northern Development, upon notice: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. 1 ) In relation to his statement in May 1 973 that a review will be made of existing zonal boundaries which are predominantly in Northern Australia, namely Zones A and B, has the review commenced; if not, why not. 1. If the review has commenced, (a) what departments are undertaking it, (b) what are its terms of reference and (c) when is it likely that the review will be completed. 2. Is it intended that the review should lead to the preparation of a report; if so, will the report be made public. {: #subdebate-73-63-s1 .speaker-KXV} ##### Dr Patterson:
ALP -The answer to the right honourable member's question is as follows: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. to (3) The matter is under consideration by the Government. {:#subdebate-73-64} #### Army Uniform (Question No. 676) {: #subdebate-73-64-s0 .speaker-K9L} ##### Mr Garland: asked the Minister for Defence, upon notice: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. 1 ) Has his attention been drawn io an article in the Army Journal No. 295 of December 1973 calling for some changes in Army uniforms. 1. If so, would he give consideration to this question and advise me of the result. {: #subdebate-73-64-s1 .speaker-JO8} ##### Mr Barnard:
ALP -- The answer to the honourable member's question is as follows: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. Yes. 1. ) The orders of dress for the Army are under continuing review by the Department of Defence (Army Office). Suggestions received from any source are examined by the appropriate Army authorities and implemented if found to be acceptable and practicable. Enquiries are currently being made to establish whether there is any dissatisfaction with the current orders of dress. {:#subdebate-73-65} #### Defence: Australian Industrial Involvement (Question No. 677) {: #subdebate-73-65-s0 .speaker-K9L} ##### Mr Garland: asked the Minister for Defence, upon notice: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. 1 ) What has been the result of the Government's intention to place a greater proportion of Defence orders in Australia, referred to by him in a speech to the Industrial Mobilisation Course at Westernport on 12 February 1973. 1. 2 ) Does the current strategic situation still provide an opportunity to develop the industrial sector as an integral part of the nation's defence potential. 2. Is it yet possible to give any details of likely Australian industrial involvement in the production of equipment which has been under consideration since the Government was elected. 3. Is it still the attitude of the Government for a Service to accept on occasions some constraint on the technological complexity of its systems in order to make better use of Australian industry; if so, what are some examples of this. 4. Has it been the experience of the Government while in office that in some cases Australian equipment has cost more than imported equipment; if so, what are the significant examples. {: #subdebate-73-65-s1 .speaker-JO8} ##### Mr Barnard:
ALP -- The answer to the honourable member's question is as follows: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. In 1973-74, 62.3 per cent of defence equipment expenditure was local, compared to 58. 1 per cent in the previous year when the majority of expenditure had been committed or incurred by the previous government. 1. Yes. 2. In April this year I announced the Government's intention to proceed with the acquisition of four new major equipments namely 2 new destroyers for the RAN, 8 Long Range Maritime Patrol Aircraft for the RAAF, and 53 modern medium tanks and 45 fire support vehicles for the Army. Contractual negotiations for the supply of these equipments are now proceeding and at an appropriate future time I would hope to be able to give details of Australian industrial involvement arising from these major purchases. 3. The process of evaluation provides for each major equipment of system to be considered on its merits, the final selection providing the Services with the best overall result in terms of operational performance, delivery timescale, product support and Australian industrial participation within the financial constraints under which we operate. Hence it is not possible to give specific examples as each decision is taken on the totality of factors involved. 4. Australian defence production is nearly always for much smaller quantities than is the case in countries such as the United States and the United Kingdom. This contributes to higher unit costs. Nevertheless, apart from the obvious benefits resulting for our defence preparedness, there are considerable advantages in the employment given in highly skilled operations and in the introduction of new technological processes. {:#subdebate-73-66} #### Cyprus: Australian Troops (Question No. 841) {: #subdebate-73-66-s0 .speaker-MI4} ##### Mr Peacock: asked the Minister for Defence, upon notice: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. 1 ) Has a decision been made to send Australian troops to Cyprus; if so, how many. 1. Who has been consulted. 2. What action has been taken by Australia at the United Nations regarding such a commitment. 3. Was a request received; if so, when, and from whom. 4. If such a commitment is to be made, how long is it estimated the troops will be there. 5. Will any force sent to Cyprus be comprised of volunteers. {: #subdebate-73-66-s1 .speaker-JO8} ##### Mr Barnard:
ALP -- The answer to the honourable member's question is as follows: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. and (3) On August 8, 1974 the Secretary-General of the United Nations was informed that, in response to his request for an increased contribution to the United Nations Force in Cyprus, Australia was prepared to provide a military contingent consisting of an independent rifle company of 170 men and appropriate headquarters and support elements to serve for a period of six months from their date of arrival in Cyprus. A reply indicating whether or not the United Nations wishes to accept this offer is now awaited. 1. The decision to make the offer was taken by the Prime Minister, the Treasurer and the Ministers for Foreign Affairs and Defence. 2. On 22 July 1974 the Secretary-General of the United Nations convened a meeting of all Governments already contributing contingents to UNFICYP (including Australia by virtue of its civil police contingent), announced that he was seeking to double the present strength of UNFICYP to about 5000 men and asked representatives to indicate whether their governments could increase the size of their contingents. 3. If the Australian offer is accepted and if the UN mandate continues to be renewed, it is expected that as a general rule Australian personnel would be rotated on a six monthly basis. 4. The Australian Army now consists entirely of volunteers. Conscription was abolished when the former Liberal/CP. Government was defeated. A specific unit together with some individuals would be nominated for Cyprus duty and all members of that unit would be expected *to* participate in the assignment. {:#subdebate-73-67} #### Road Grants (Question No. 888) {: #subdebate-73-67-s0 .speaker-DQF} ##### Mr Snedden: asked the Prime Minister, upon notice:- {: type="1" start="1"} 0. Has he received representations from the Shire of Wangaratta expressing concern at a reduction in the amount of funds becoming available for local government roadworks particularly in view of the floods that have afflicted the area in 1 973 and again in May 1 974. 1. If so, has he accepted the points put forward by the Shire. 2. Has he replied to the Shire; if so, what was his response. {: #subdebate-73-67-s1 .speaker-6U4} ##### Mr Whitlam:
ALP -- The answer to the right honourable member's question is as follows: {: type="1" start="1"} 0. Yes. 1. The Australian Government is providing a total of SI, 126m in grants to the States for roads, planning and research for the three years 1974/75-1976/77. This is an increase of 30 per cent over the previous three years. The proportion of Australian Government funds that will be spent in rural areas over the next 3 years will be 6 1 per cent, compared with 47 per cent in the previous three years. In deciding the amount of road assistance to be provided to the various States and for particular road categories, the Government had regard to the recommendations of the Bureau of Roads in its 'Report on Roads in Australia 1973', the Government's other expenditure commitments, including its other major transport initiatives, and to the general state of the economy. It also took into account the views of local government as expressed by the State Local Government Associations and the National Council of Local Government Associations since the Minister for Transport released the report of the Bureau of Roads last December. The Australian Government's acceptance of the full cost of the construction and maintenance of the national roads system, instead of 80 per cent as proposed by the Bureau of Roads, will allow State funds, previously earmarked for roads now covered by this category, to be available for allocation by the States for other roads, such as rural arterial and local roads. Having regard to these factors, the Government does not intend to increase the level of grants already decided on for roadworks in rural areas. {: type="1" start="3"} 0. ) I ha ve responded to the Shire along the lines indicated above, referring also to the arrangements for providing financial assistance in the event of natural disasters such as the recent floods in Victoria. I note that the Shire forwarded a copy of its letter to the right honourable member, and I will therefore provide him with a copy of my reply. {:#subdebate-73-68} #### People's Republic of China and Taiwan: Trade (Question No. 535) {: #subdebate-73-68-s0 .speaker-QF4} ##### Mr Connolly:
BRADFIELD, NEW SOUTH WALES asked the Minister for Overseas Trade, upon notice: >Will he supply statistics of Australia 's trade with the People 's Republic of China and the Republic of China (Taiwan) since the withdrawal of diplomatic recognition from the latter in December 1972. {: #subdebate-73-68-s1 .speaker-1V4} ##### Dr J F CAIRNS:
LALOR, VICTORIA · ALP -- The answer to the honourable member's question is as follows: >The Acting Commonwealth Statistician has supplied the following statistics of Australia 's trade with the People's Republic of China and Taiwan, for the period December 1972 to May 1974. Separate figures are shown for the main groups of commodities in which trade occurs with these two countries. The statistics for the period July 1973 to May 1974 are preliminary and subject to revision.

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